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63. Trump and Putin

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Nov 19, 2025, 09:29 PM

17 hrs ago

They will be gone soon. Ukraine needs to hold on until then. Europe seems to be pretty solid with Ukraine because the Russian terror will be on their doorsteps and until Trump is gone they can't rely on the US to be a reliable partner.

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Exclusive: Ukraine expected to give up land, some arms under US peace plan, sources say [View all] muriel_volestrangler Yesterday OP

No shit! Ray Bruns Yesterday #1

Why do I believe the unnamed sources have the initials DJT? Ray Bruns Yesterday #2

Yup. sheshe2 22 hrs ago #32

Diddling Donny can't stay out of Putin's pants. Safe as Milk Yesterday #3

What if Putin's Bubba? BadgerMom 11 hrs ago #73

Ukraine doesn't have to anything the US says. It is a sovereign nation. NotHardly Yesterday #4

Ukraine wants a security guarantee from the US. maxsolomon 23 hrs ago #15

Russia had an agreement with Ukraine and had agreed republianmushroom 23 hrs ago #21

Like many big powers they renege on their agreements...nt mitch96 22 hrs ago #24

I think Ukraine is disinclined to accept security agreements, as the... LudwigPastorius 23 hrs ago #22

Quite true. However, NATO membership may be unobtainable. maxsolomon 23 hrs ago #23

Russia opposed Ukraine joining NATO because it would have blocked them from taking the land for the future pipelines. cstanleytech 22 hrs ago #33

Most of the NATO nations couldn't give a stuff what Russia wants. n/t Emrys 19 hrs ago #48

Russia invaded Donetsk precisely to stop NATO extending membership to Ukraine. maxsolomon 18 hrs ago #53

Russia's rationales for its invasion vary almost as windingly as a Trump diatribe. Emrys 18 hrs ago #61

Helpful post, maxsolomon 2 hrs ago #83

Their last security guarantee when giving up nukes didn't hold up so well SamuelTheThird 22 hrs ago #26

Yes, I am aware. maxsolomon 22 hrs ago #28

Please research blue-wave 22 hrs ago #35

I don't need to research as I already knew about it. maxsolomon 22 hrs ago #37

I'm saying blue-wave 22 hrs ago #38

US security assurances are only as good as the word of the President karynnj 21 hrs ago #40

What would Russia get in the deal then? Polybius 18 hrs ago #59

What will Russia get? blue-wave 13 hrs ago #70

Ok, so the war doesn't end then n/t Polybius 9 hrs ago #75

it ends the way the Russia war in Afghanistan ended lapfog_1 9 hrs ago #76

That could take years Polybius 9 hrs ago #77

then it will take years... lapfog_1 9 hrs ago #78

This is misunderstood. Ukraine DID NOT receive Security Guarantees WarGamer 19 hrs ago #46

Correct. Emrys 19 hrs ago #49

Ukraine needs to be in NATO or have signed legal defense GUARANTEES from US, UK, Germany, Poland and France. WarGamer 19 hrs ago #50

Over the past few years, Ukraine has signed bilateral security agreements with a number of countries Emrys 17 hrs ago #62

The only agreement that would blue-wave 14 hrs ago #69

If you want to split hairs over the blue-wave 13 hrs ago #72

All I have to say is, I get spanked for asking a question but, gab13by13 Yesterday #5

"linking this right wing talking point" - this is news, FFS muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #6

Posting 2 unnamed sources for the article because of the sensitivity, gab13by13 Yesterday #10

I don't think you understand what news is. muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #14

Hopefully, Ukraine will say "fuck that shit" Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #7

"give up land, some arms under US peace plan...... yea that ain't gonna happen.. nt mitch96 22 hrs ago #25

FU, Putin and drumphf! Slava Ukraini! electric_blue68 Yesterday #8

Again, like before, I say BULLSHIT!! bluestarone Yesterday #9

Handing Putin victory from the abyss of defeat CanonRay Yesterday #11

After all this, now Putin is allowed to take land from Ukraine just to go away and leave them alone FakeNoose Yesterday #12

Wasn't this same plan rejected a few months ago? (nt) William Seger Yesterday #13

The US should butt out and F*ck off. sinkingfeeling 23 hrs ago #16

There's absolutely no way. LudwigPastorius 23 hrs ago #17

trump kissing Putin ass. republianmushroom 23 hrs ago #18

Why should they give anything up? They didn't start the war. Putin should have to pay them to rebuild the country. Vinca 23 hrs ago #19

Rewarding Russia for its invasion? What a plan. Dave Bowman 23 hrs ago #20

Trump cannot stop blowing Pootie Skittles 22 hrs ago #27

Trust the Russians and any agreement they sign. republianmushroom 22 hrs ago #29

3 Words: Fuck That Shit! Nictuku 22 hrs ago #30

When will the world ever learn? blue-wave 22 hrs ago #31

I approve this plan......if it includes arrests and war crime trials for a number of Russians. cstanleytech 22 hrs ago #34

LOL, why wasn't such a deal worked out with Iraq and Kuwait? RedWhiteBlueIsRacist 22 hrs ago #36

US Security Guarantee Nasruddin 21 hrs ago #39

Nope. Not the right move. Russia go home and expletive you and your horse. twodogsbarking 20 hrs ago #41

And what weapons and territory will Russia give up in exchange? WestMichRad 20 hrs ago #42

Just say NO Bayard 20 hrs ago #43

Am I wrong in thinking this sounds more like a demand that Ukraine surrender to Russia? slightlv 20 hrs ago #44

Budapest Memorandum 2 paulrevere2018 19 hrs ago #45

F this "peace agreement." One sided BS. Drumpf has been in bed with Vlad for at least 9 years. Evolve Dammit 19 hrs ago #47

This pisses me off. AllyCat 18 hrs ago #51

As usual, Dump bends over for Putin mdbl 18 hrs ago #52

Russian attitude..what's mine is mine .what's yours is negotiable! Playingmantis 18 hrs ago #54

this is bullshit. ananda 18 hrs ago #55

Be quiet piggy! bronxiteforever 18 hrs ago #56

This all from Putin using his power over tramp 3825-87867 18 hrs ago #57

Reuters, old and established as it is, hasn't been the most reliable source on developments in Ukraine in recent times Emrys 18 hrs ago #58

Be quiet piggy Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin 18 hrs ago #60

Trump and Putin JPK 17 hrs ago #63

I hope Zelenskyy tells them to fuck off and Europe backs him ChicagoTeamster 17 hrs ago #64

x2 Sam I Yam 13 hrs ago #71

screw that SaydiTom 17 hrs ago #65

Bullshit plan designed to appease Putin. He'll take the win and keep going. Martin68 17 hrs ago #66

What about that rare earth minerals deal trump wanted from Ukraine?? IcyPeas 16 hrs ago #67

Stick it up your asses, Trump and Putin. Efilroft Sul 15 hrs ago #68

Ukraine, Don't Do It! Can't trust US anymore Bread and Circuses 10 hrs ago #74

Give'm an inch and they'll take a mile. no_hypocrisy 9 hrs ago #79

I'd say Krasnov's status a a Russian asset "bothers" America as much as his being an "alleged pedophile." Miles Archer 8 hrs ago #80

One word answer Botany 7 hrs ago #81

"would be" expected nuxvomica 7 hrs ago #82