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44. Am I wrong in thinking this sounds more like a demand that Ukraine surrender to Russia?

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Wed Nov 19, 2025, 06:32 PM

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I mean... what the hell is Russia "giving up?".... and why would a country under constant attack deplete their military ranks like this? Ceding land to Russia is what Russia demanded from the very start of this illegal war.

I don't believe anything that comes out of the current U.S. administration is geared towards peace or Ukraine's benefit. trump wants the "war" over with, and he doesn't care who pays the price, or what that price ultimately costs. This situation demands patience, a deep understanding of not only current events but also past events that led into and are still part of the current situation, and a deep desire for equity and inclusion - words that are curses for this administration. And true National Security has to be given top priority with a democratic vs non-democratic scenario, such as this. You just don't cede land... or anything else... from a democracy to communism and/or fascism... no matter what our country, itself, is doing. Frack trump!

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Exclusive: Ukraine expected to give up land, some arms under US peace plan, sources say [View all] muriel_volestrangler Yesterday OP

No shit! Ray Bruns Yesterday #1

Why do I believe the unnamed sources have the initials DJT? Ray Bruns Yesterday #2

Yup. sheshe2 Yesterday #32

Diddling Donny can't stay out of Putin's pants. Safe as Milk Yesterday #3

What if Putin's Bubba? BadgerMom 20 hrs ago #73

Ukraine doesn't have to anything the US says. It is a sovereign nation. NotHardly Yesterday #4

Ukraine wants a security guarantee from the US. maxsolomon Yesterday #15

Russia had an agreement with Ukraine and had agreed republianmushroom Yesterday #21

Like many big powers they renege on their agreements...nt mitch96 Yesterday #24

I think Ukraine is disinclined to accept security agreements, as the... LudwigPastorius Yesterday #22

Quite true. However, NATO membership may be unobtainable. maxsolomon Yesterday #23

Russia opposed Ukraine joining NATO because it would have blocked them from taking the land for the future pipelines. cstanleytech Yesterday #33

Most of the NATO nations couldn't give a stuff what Russia wants. n/t Emrys Yesterday #48

Russia invaded Donetsk precisely to stop NATO extending membership to Ukraine. maxsolomon Yesterday #53

Russia's rationales for its invasion vary almost as windingly as a Trump diatribe. Emrys Yesterday #61

Helpful post, maxsolomon 11 hrs ago #83

I can't immediately find a map of the situation in 2023, but if it helps, Emrys 3 hrs ago #84

Their last security guarantee when giving up nukes didn't hold up so well SamuelTheThird Yesterday #26

Yes, I am aware. maxsolomon Yesterday #28

Please research blue-wave Yesterday #35

I don't need to research as I already knew about it. maxsolomon Yesterday #37

I'm saying blue-wave Yesterday #38

US security assurances are only as good as the word of the President karynnj Yesterday #40

What would Russia get in the deal then? Polybius Yesterday #59

What will Russia get? blue-wave 22 hrs ago #70

Ok, so the war doesn't end then n/t Polybius 18 hrs ago #75

it ends the way the Russia war in Afghanistan ended lapfog_1 18 hrs ago #76

That could take years Polybius 18 hrs ago #77

then it will take years... lapfog_1 17 hrs ago #78

This is misunderstood. Ukraine DID NOT receive Security Guarantees WarGamer Yesterday #46

Correct. Emrys Yesterday #49

Ukraine needs to be in NATO or have signed legal defense GUARANTEES from US, UK, Germany, Poland and France. WarGamer Yesterday #50

Over the past few years, Ukraine has signed bilateral security agreements with a number of countries Emrys Yesterday #62

The only agreement that would blue-wave 22 hrs ago #69

If you want to split hairs over the blue-wave 21 hrs ago #72

All I have to say is, I get spanked for asking a question but, gab13by13 Yesterday #5

"linking this right wing talking point" - this is news, FFS muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #6

Posting 2 unnamed sources for the article because of the sensitivity, gab13by13 Yesterday #10

I don't think you understand what news is. muriel_volestrangler Yesterday #14

Hopefully, Ukraine will say "fuck that shit" Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #7

"give up land, some arms under US peace plan...... yea that ain't gonna happen.. nt mitch96 Yesterday #25

FU, Putin and drumphf! Slava Ukraini! electric_blue68 Yesterday #8

Again, like before, I say BULLSHIT!! bluestarone Yesterday #9

Handing Putin victory from the abyss of defeat CanonRay Yesterday #11

After all this, now Putin is allowed to take land from Ukraine just to go away and leave them alone FakeNoose Yesterday #12

Wasn't this same plan rejected a few months ago? (nt) William Seger Yesterday #13

The US should butt out and F*ck off. sinkingfeeling Yesterday #16

There's absolutely no way. LudwigPastorius Yesterday #17

trump kissing Putin ass. republianmushroom Yesterday #18

Why should they give anything up? They didn't start the war. Putin should have to pay them to rebuild the country. Vinca Yesterday #19

Rewarding Russia for its invasion? What a plan. Dave Bowman Yesterday #20

Trump cannot stop blowing Pootie Skittles Yesterday #27

Trust the Russians and any agreement they sign. republianmushroom Yesterday #29

3 Words: Fuck That Shit! Nictuku Yesterday #30

When will the world ever learn? blue-wave Yesterday #31

I approve this plan......if it includes arrests and war crime trials for a number of Russians. cstanleytech Yesterday #34

LOL, why wasn't such a deal worked out with Iraq and Kuwait? RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Yesterday #36

US Security Guarantee Nasruddin Yesterday #39

Nope. Not the right move. Russia go home and expletive you and your horse. twodogsbarking Yesterday #41

And what weapons and territory will Russia give up in exchange? WestMichRad Yesterday #42

Just say NO Bayard Yesterday #43

Am I wrong in thinking this sounds more like a demand that Ukraine surrender to Russia? slightlv Yesterday #44

Budapest Memorandum 2 paulrevere2018 Yesterday #45

F this "peace agreement." One sided BS. Drumpf has been in bed with Vlad for at least 9 years. Evolve Dammit Yesterday #47

This pisses me off. AllyCat Yesterday #51

As usual, Dump bends over for Putin mdbl Yesterday #52

Russian attitude..what's mine is mine .what's yours is negotiable! Playingmantis Yesterday #54

this is bullshit. ananda Yesterday #55

Be quiet piggy! bronxiteforever Yesterday #56

This all from Putin using his power over tramp 3825-87867 Yesterday #57

Reuters, old and established as it is, hasn't been the most reliable source on developments in Ukraine in recent times Emrys Yesterday #58

Be quiet piggy Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Yesterday #60

Trump and Putin JPK Yesterday #63

I hope Zelenskyy tells them to fuck off and Europe backs him ChicagoTeamster Yesterday #64

x2 Sam I Yam 21 hrs ago #71

screw that SaydiTom Yesterday #65

Bullshit plan designed to appease Putin. He'll take the win and keep going. Martin68 Yesterday #66

What about that rare earth minerals deal trump wanted from Ukraine?? IcyPeas Yesterday #67

Stick it up your asses, Trump and Putin. Efilroft Sul Yesterday #68

Ukraine, Don't Do It! Can't trust US anymore Bread and Circuses 18 hrs ago #74

Give'm an inch and they'll take a mile. no_hypocrisy 17 hrs ago #79

I'd say Krasnov's status a a Russian asset "bothers" America as much as his being an "alleged pedophile." Miles Archer 17 hrs ago #80

One word answer Botany 16 hrs ago #81

"would be" expected nuxvomica 16 hrs ago #82