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23. Quite true. However, NATO membership may be unobtainable.

Reply to LudwigPastorius (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 19, 2025, 03:46 PM

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Russia will want that off the table as a condition of a settlement.

Ukraine remains in a tight spot.

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Exclusive: Ukraine expected to give up land, some arms under US peace plan, sources say [View all] muriel_volestrangler Wednesday OP

No shit! Ray Bruns Wednesday #1

Why do I believe the unnamed sources have the initials DJT? Ray Bruns Wednesday #2

Yup. sheshe2 Wednesday #32

Diddling Donny can't stay out of Putin's pants. Safe as Milk Wednesday #3

What if Putin's Bubba? BadgerMom 22 hrs ago #73

Ukraine doesn't have to anything the US says. It is a sovereign nation. NotHardly Wednesday #4

Ukraine wants a security guarantee from the US. maxsolomon Wednesday #15

Russia had an agreement with Ukraine and had agreed republianmushroom Wednesday #21

Like many big powers they renege on their agreements...nt mitch96 Wednesday #24

I think Ukraine is disinclined to accept security agreements, as the... LudwigPastorius Wednesday #22

Quite true. However, NATO membership may be unobtainable. maxsolomon Wednesday #23

Russia opposed Ukraine joining NATO because it would have blocked them from taking the land for the future pipelines. cstanleytech Wednesday #33

Most of the NATO nations couldn't give a stuff what Russia wants. n/t Emrys Wednesday #48

Russia invaded Donetsk precisely to stop NATO extending membership to Ukraine. maxsolomon Wednesday #53

Russia's rationales for its invasion vary almost as windingly as a Trump diatribe. Emrys Wednesday #61

Helpful post, maxsolomon 13 hrs ago #83

I can't immediately find a map of the situation in 2023, but if it helps, Emrys 5 hrs ago #84

Their last security guarantee when giving up nukes didn't hold up so well SamuelTheThird Wednesday #26

Yes, I am aware. maxsolomon Wednesday #28

Please research blue-wave Wednesday #35

I don't need to research as I already knew about it. maxsolomon Wednesday #37

I'm saying blue-wave Wednesday #38

US security assurances are only as good as the word of the President karynnj Wednesday #40

What would Russia get in the deal then? Polybius Wednesday #59

What will Russia get? blue-wave Yesterday #70

Ok, so the war doesn't end then n/t Polybius 20 hrs ago #75

it ends the way the Russia war in Afghanistan ended lapfog_1 20 hrs ago #76

That could take years Polybius 20 hrs ago #77

then it will take years... lapfog_1 20 hrs ago #78

This is misunderstood. Ukraine DID NOT receive Security Guarantees WarGamer Wednesday #46

Correct. Emrys Wednesday #49

Ukraine needs to be in NATO or have signed legal defense GUARANTEES from US, UK, Germany, Poland and France. WarGamer Wednesday #50

Over the past few years, Ukraine has signed bilateral security agreements with a number of countries Emrys Wednesday #62

The only agreement that would blue-wave Yesterday #69

If you want to split hairs over the blue-wave Yesterday #72

All I have to say is, I get spanked for asking a question but, gab13by13 Wednesday #5

"linking this right wing talking point" - this is news, FFS muriel_volestrangler Wednesday #6

Posting 2 unnamed sources for the article because of the sensitivity, gab13by13 Wednesday #10

I don't think you understand what news is. muriel_volestrangler Wednesday #14

Hopefully, Ukraine will say "fuck that shit" Fiendish Thingy Wednesday #7

"give up land, some arms under US peace plan...... yea that ain't gonna happen.. nt mitch96 Wednesday #25

FU, Putin and drumphf! Slava Ukraini! electric_blue68 Wednesday #8

Again, like before, I say BULLSHIT!! bluestarone Wednesday #9

Handing Putin victory from the abyss of defeat CanonRay Wednesday #11

After all this, now Putin is allowed to take land from Ukraine just to go away and leave them alone FakeNoose Wednesday #12

Wasn't this same plan rejected a few months ago? (nt) William Seger Wednesday #13

The US should butt out and F*ck off. sinkingfeeling Wednesday #16

There's absolutely no way. LudwigPastorius Wednesday #17

trump kissing Putin ass. republianmushroom Wednesday #18

Why should they give anything up? They didn't start the war. Putin should have to pay them to rebuild the country. Vinca Wednesday #19

Rewarding Russia for its invasion? What a plan. Dave Bowman Wednesday #20

Trump cannot stop blowing Pootie Skittles Wednesday #27

Trust the Russians and any agreement they sign. republianmushroom Wednesday #29

3 Words: Fuck That Shit! Nictuku Wednesday #30

When will the world ever learn? blue-wave Wednesday #31

I approve this plan......if it includes arrests and war crime trials for a number of Russians. cstanleytech Wednesday #34

LOL, why wasn't such a deal worked out with Iraq and Kuwait? RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Wednesday #36

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Nope. Not the right move. Russia go home and expletive you and your horse. twodogsbarking Wednesday #41

And what weapons and territory will Russia give up in exchange? WestMichRad Wednesday #42

Just say NO Bayard Wednesday #43

Am I wrong in thinking this sounds more like a demand that Ukraine surrender to Russia? slightlv Wednesday #44

Budapest Memorandum 2 paulrevere2018 Wednesday #45

F this "peace agreement." One sided BS. Drumpf has been in bed with Vlad for at least 9 years. Evolve Dammit Wednesday #47

This pisses me off. AllyCat Wednesday #51

As usual, Dump bends over for Putin mdbl Wednesday #52

Russian attitude..what's mine is mine .what's yours is negotiable! Playingmantis Wednesday #54

this is bullshit. ananda Wednesday #55

Be quiet piggy! bronxiteforever Wednesday #56

This all from Putin using his power over tramp 3825-87867 Wednesday #57

Reuters, old and established as it is, hasn't been the most reliable source on developments in Ukraine in recent times Emrys Wednesday #58

Be quiet piggy Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Wednesday #60

Trump and Putin JPK Wednesday #63

I hope Zelenskyy tells them to fuck off and Europe backs him ChicagoTeamster Wednesday #64

x2 Sam I Yam Yesterday #71

screw that SaydiTom Wednesday #65

Bullshit plan designed to appease Putin. He'll take the win and keep going. Martin68 Wednesday #66

What about that rare earth minerals deal trump wanted from Ukraine?? IcyPeas Wednesday #67

Stick it up your asses, Trump and Putin. Efilroft Sul Wednesday #68

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I'd say Krasnov's status a a Russian asset "bothers" America as much as his being an "alleged pedophile." Miles Archer 20 hrs ago #80

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"would be" expected nuxvomica 19 hrs ago #82