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In reply to the discussion: Trump says he's talking to Democrats about direct health care payment plan [View all]Septua
(2,933 posts)31. "The insurance companies are making a fortune," he said.
Blame it on companies in business to make a profit. I guess he wants the insurers to give up some of their profits so he can increase the General Fund and get some refunds for the Trump Organization.
"Greed is good." (Gordan Gekko, "Wall Street." )
AI Overview
The question of whether health insurance companies' profits are exorbitant is a subject of intense public and political debate, with different data points leading to conflicting conclusions.
Arguments that Profits are Exorbitant
Massive Aggregate Profits: The six largest for-profit health insurers collectively reported billions in annual profits, with the top five bringing in over $371 billion in profits since the passage of the Affordable Care Act (ACA). UnitedHealth Group alone accounts for over 40% of that total.
Shareholder Payouts: A significant amount of revenue, at least $2.6 trillion from 2001-2022, has been diverted from patient care to shareholder payouts (dividends and stock buybacks) across the broader healthcare industry, including insurers.
CEO Compensation: Top executives receive high compensation packages; in 2024, the CEOs of the seven biggest publicly traded health insurers earned a combined $146.1 million.
Vertical Integration: Corporations that own the insurer, the doctors, and the pharmacies can turn every part of care into a profit center, which critics argue is at the patient's expense.
Perverse Incentives: The ACA requires insurers to spend at least 80% of premiums on medical care (Medical Loss Ratio, or MLR). Critics argue this can incentivize companies to increase total costs to make more money, as a 3% profit on a larger premium is more than on a smaller one.
Rising Premiums Amidst Denials: Insurers have pushed for significant premium hikes even while they deny a large number of claims, leading to accusations that they prioritize profits over patient care.
Arguments that Profits are Not Exorbitant (Low Margins)
Low Net Profit Margins: When viewed as a percentage of total revenue, health insurers' profit margins are often cited as relatively low compared to other healthcare sectors like pharmaceuticals. Typical estimates place health insurer margins around 3%-6%. In 2024, the industry's average profit margin fell to a decade-low of 0.8% due to increased medical costs.
Underwriting Losses Offset by Investments: In some periods, the industry has experienced underwriting losses (paying out more in claims than collected in premiums), which were offset by investment income to remain profitable.
Subsidizing Government Programs: Some analyses argue that commercial insurers help subsidize payment deficiencies from government programs like Medicare and Medicaid, suggesting they aren't the primary villains for overall healthcare costs.
Ultimately, the perception of "exorbitant profits" often depends on whether one focuses on the overall dollar value of profits and shareholder payouts (which are large and increasing) or on the percentage of profit relative to total revenue (which can be a smaller margin than in other industries).
The question of whether health insurance companies' profits are exorbitant is a subject of intense public and political debate, with different data points leading to conflicting conclusions.
Arguments that Profits are Exorbitant
Massive Aggregate Profits: The six largest for-profit health insurers collectively reported billions in annual profits, with the top five bringing in over $371 billion in profits since the passage of the Affordable Care Act (ACA). UnitedHealth Group alone accounts for over 40% of that total.
Shareholder Payouts: A significant amount of revenue, at least $2.6 trillion from 2001-2022, has been diverted from patient care to shareholder payouts (dividends and stock buybacks) across the broader healthcare industry, including insurers.
CEO Compensation: Top executives receive high compensation packages; in 2024, the CEOs of the seven biggest publicly traded health insurers earned a combined $146.1 million.
Vertical Integration: Corporations that own the insurer, the doctors, and the pharmacies can turn every part of care into a profit center, which critics argue is at the patient's expense.
Perverse Incentives: The ACA requires insurers to spend at least 80% of premiums on medical care (Medical Loss Ratio, or MLR). Critics argue this can incentivize companies to increase total costs to make more money, as a 3% profit on a larger premium is more than on a smaller one.
Rising Premiums Amidst Denials: Insurers have pushed for significant premium hikes even while they deny a large number of claims, leading to accusations that they prioritize profits over patient care.
Arguments that Profits are Not Exorbitant (Low Margins)
Low Net Profit Margins: When viewed as a percentage of total revenue, health insurers' profit margins are often cited as relatively low compared to other healthcare sectors like pharmaceuticals. Typical estimates place health insurer margins around 3%-6%. In 2024, the industry's average profit margin fell to a decade-low of 0.8% due to increased medical costs.
Underwriting Losses Offset by Investments: In some periods, the industry has experienced underwriting losses (paying out more in claims than collected in premiums), which were offset by investment income to remain profitable.
Subsidizing Government Programs: Some analyses argue that commercial insurers help subsidize payment deficiencies from government programs like Medicare and Medicaid, suggesting they aren't the primary villains for overall healthcare costs.
Ultimately, the perception of "exorbitant profits" often depends on whether one focuses on the overall dollar value of profits and shareholder payouts (which are large and increasing) or on the percentage of profit relative to total revenue (which can be a smaller margin than in other industries).
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Trump says he's talking to Democrats about direct health care payment plan [View all]
BumRushDaShow
18 hrs ago
OP
Like everything else with this fool, he has no idea how insurance actually works,...
the nelm
13 hrs ago
#21
That's just health interests moving piles of cash from one pocket to another. What's to cut prices???
marble falls
18 hrs ago
#3
WTF? The ACA is working, just fund the damn thing. Does he know the coverage comes from private companies?
Vinca
18 hrs ago
#5
What is the practical intent here? To allow people to buy higher deductible and presumably cheaper plans?
LonePirate
17 hrs ago
#11
OK - what about the pre-existing condition clause and the lifetime caps. Two very very important gains in the ACA
Marie Marie
17 hrs ago
#12
This is his "selling" of insurance privatization nationwide as a new front for attacking Medicare,
ancianita
17 hrs ago
#14
Oh...like the $2k checks to Americans from the tariffs..or that he bailed out the farmers...bull crap
PortTack
12 hrs ago
#22
Wow, what if this could be done with afterlife? Just go to a store and buy however much afterlife we need, directly!
RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
9 hrs ago
#25