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Septua

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31. "The insurance companies are making a fortune," he said.
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 12:00 AM
9 hrs ago

Blame it on companies in business to make a profit. I guess he wants the insurers to give up some of their profits so he can increase the General Fund and get some refunds for the Trump Organization.

"Greed is good." (Gordan Gekko, "Wall Street." )

AI Overview

The question of whether health insurance companies' profits are exorbitant is a subject of intense public and political debate, with different data points leading to conflicting conclusions.

Arguments that Profits are Exorbitant

Massive Aggregate Profits: The six largest for-profit health insurers collectively reported billions in annual profits, with the top five bringing in over $371 billion in profits since the passage of the Affordable Care Act (ACA). UnitedHealth Group alone accounts for over 40% of that total.

Shareholder Payouts: A significant amount of revenue, at least $2.6 trillion from 2001-2022, has been diverted from patient care to shareholder payouts (dividends and stock buybacks) across the broader healthcare industry, including insurers.
CEO Compensation: Top executives receive high compensation packages; in 2024, the CEOs of the seven biggest publicly traded health insurers earned a combined $146.1 million.

Vertical Integration: Corporations that own the insurer, the doctors, and the pharmacies can turn every part of care into a profit center, which critics argue is at the patient's expense.

Perverse Incentives: The ACA requires insurers to spend at least 80% of premiums on medical care (Medical Loss Ratio, or MLR). Critics argue this can incentivize companies to increase total costs to make more money, as a 3% profit on a larger premium is more than on a smaller one.

Rising Premiums Amidst Denials: Insurers have pushed for significant premium hikes even while they deny a large number of claims, leading to accusations that they prioritize profits over patient care.

Arguments that Profits are Not Exorbitant (Low Margins)

Low Net Profit Margins: When viewed as a percentage of total revenue, health insurers' profit margins are often cited as relatively low compared to other healthcare sectors like pharmaceuticals. Typical estimates place health insurer margins around 3%-6%. In 2024, the industry's average profit margin fell to a decade-low of 0.8% due to increased medical costs.

Underwriting Losses Offset by Investments: In some periods, the industry has experienced underwriting losses (paying out more in claims than collected in premiums), which were offset by investment income to remain profitable.

Subsidizing Government Programs: Some analyses argue that commercial insurers help subsidize payment deficiencies from government programs like Medicare and Medicaid, suggesting they aren't the primary villains for overall healthcare costs.

Ultimately, the perception of "exorbitant profits" often depends on whether one focuses on the overall dollar value of profits and shareholder payouts (which are large and increasing) or on the percentage of profit relative to total revenue (which can be a smaller margin than in other industries).

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This is all bullshit. Democrats would not like what he is proposing to do. OLDMDDEM 18 hrs ago #1
Talking AT Dems , not "to"... and definitely not "with". mpcamb 17 hrs ago #17
The subsidies Traildogbob 18 hrs ago #2
Like everything else with this fool, he has no idea how insurance actually works,... the nelm 13 hrs ago #21
That's just health interests moving piles of cash from one pocket to another. What's to cut prices??? marble falls 18 hrs ago #3
Yeah, Donny, tell us another fairy tale. DinahMoeHum 18 hrs ago #4
WTF? The ACA is working, just fund the damn thing. Does he know the coverage comes from private companies? Vinca 18 hrs ago #5
The Hill of course gab13by13 17 hrs ago #6
Cantaloupe Caligula The Corpulent Said... GB_RN 17 hrs ago #7
Yeah, right...what? TWO WEEKS like his infrastucture plan? AZ8theist 17 hrs ago #8
Something else... GiqueCee 17 hrs ago #9
Every single thing popsdenver 17 hrs ago #10
What is the practical intent here? To allow people to buy higher deductible and presumably cheaper plans? LonePirate 17 hrs ago #11
OK - what about the pre-existing condition clause and the lifetime caps. Two very very important gains in the ACA Marie Marie 17 hrs ago #12
How can anybody be this stupid? Wiz Imp 17 hrs ago #13
This is his "selling" of insurance privatization nationwide as a new front for attacking Medicare, ancianita 17 hrs ago #14
If he eventually gets around to thinking single payer is his idea intrepidity 17 hrs ago #15
Let's not forget the rest of ACA Bluetus 17 hrs ago #16
And are these "Democrats" in the room with him now? VMA131Marine 17 hrs ago #18
UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE NOW Karma13612 15 hrs ago #19
the part I don't get is the failure to realize dingosatemyusername 55 min ago #39
Why can't we have what other countries have? twodogsbarking 13 hrs ago #20
Oh...like the $2k checks to Americans from the tariffs..or that he bailed out the farmers...bull crap PortTack 12 hrs ago #22
Let's not forget the Doge checks Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin 7 hrs ago #33
A "direct health care payment plan" dflprincess 12 hrs ago #23
Universal Healthcare bmichaelh 10 hrs ago #24
Wow, what if this could be done with afterlife? Just go to a store and buy however much afterlife we need, directly! RedWhiteBlueIsRacist 9 hrs ago #25
That does nothing to control premiums. RandySF 9 hrs ago #26
He talks like an 8-year-old: "It's up a gazillion million quadruple percent!" C Moon 9 hrs ago #27
This fucking ignorant fuck Blues Heron 9 hrs ago #28
..talked to them "about paying large amounts of dollars back to the people." Septua 9 hrs ago #29
What A Simpleton DallasNE 9 hrs ago #30
"The insurance companies are making a fortune," he said. Septua 9 hrs ago #31
He's probably lying Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin 7 hrs ago #32
Why not do the sensible thing? Aussie105 6 hrs ago #34
So the genius idea is Diraven 3 hrs ago #35
How come we're hearing nothing about these talks from the Democrats? Hugin 3 hrs ago #36
Don't know if anyone said this yet Snoopy 7 1 hr ago #37
As long as health insurance remains a for-profit system mdbl 1 hr ago #38
Dems should refuse to meet him. Tell him to write his plan up and send it to us for review. nt Hotler 41 min ago #40
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