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AloeVera

(3,699 posts)
31. I beg you to think for a minute.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 06:02 PM
Jun 21

You are citing individual instances of blackout - not a general blackout impacting the whole CIVILIAN population.

Further, Gaza is not at all like a conventional war. There is no military defending the assaulted population. It's being assaulted from the air with advanced jet fighters and bombs, quadcopters and on the ground by heavy artillery - against which Gaza has absolutely no defense. So it's not a war, it's a killing field.

However, even if it were anything resembling a conventional war, there are laws governing its conduct - which Israel has ignored and violated repeatedly. In this instance, these amount to cyberattacks and are in violation of the principles of distinction and proportionality, in conjunction with the Customary Rule 54: prohibition of attacks against objects indispensable to the survival of civilian population.

This article from an international law expert explains why blanket blackouts are a form of cyber operations and illegal. Much more at the link:
https://opiniojuris.org/2024/03/20/communication-blackouts-israeli-cyberattacks-against-civilians-in-gaza/

Do Israeli acts in Gaza qualify as cyberattacks? Communication blackouts and internet shutdowns in Gaza qualify as cyberattacks. They are violent in their means (bombing critical infrastructure) and effects (harming civilians). They have ultimately endangered the safety and wellbeing of civilians and halted the work of medical services, humanitarian aid, and relief. For example, the lack of access to the internet has prevented civilians in Gaza from knowing where the declared safe areas and evacuation routes are, as the Israeli military uses social media and QR-code leaflets. Civilians have not been able to communicate with their own family members or reach out to healthcare services. Medical service providers and health workers have not been able to reach those killed and injured, and medical crews have not been able to communicate with each other. Internet shutdowns have also resulted in widespread service disruption and obstructed the delivery of humanitarian aid. The UN-OCHA has stated that internet and communication shutdowns have put the “delivery of humanitarian assistance to an almost complete halt, including life-saving assistance to people injured or trapped under the rubble.” Human rights organisations, including Access Now, have stated that Israel is using internet shutdowns as a weapon of war and military tactic, creating an “air of impunity during armed conflicts and provide cover for grave human rights abuses and [as] a form of collective punishment.”


Bolding mine - for emphasis on the awful consequences for civilians. We would not accept this level of suffering for any of "our own". That it's considered acceptable for Palestinians to suffer like this has led me to conclude a while ago that this is racism and Arab/Muslim hate, specifically of Palestinians in this case.

Even if hypothetically, this were done simply for military reasons, that would be disturbing too. It would reveal that concern for Palestinian civilians and international law protecting them is not even a consideration. That only Israel's military interests matter. It's a pattern, since the beginning of this "war" and hence the high civilian casualties and acts that without a doubt amount to war crimes.

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Work harder Duncanpup Jun 20 #1
Amen.... Butterflylady Jun 21 #30
The standard answer atreides1 Jun 20 #2
Let me guess: a Hamas member was reported somewhere Orrex Jun 20 #3
Couple a dozen food/aid seekers a day seems to be the program... mpcamb Jun 20 #7
Just enough to scare the others away... AloeVera Jun 21 #23
Truly inhumane to murder starving people just trying to get food. Lonestarblue Jun 20 #4
Yet more claudette Jun 20 #5
So convenient of them to make it easier on the IDF by gathering together in groups like that ms liberty Jun 20 #6
"The Hamas-run health ministry says ..." speak easy Jun 20 #8
Unicef's global spokesperson says: muriel_volestrangler Jun 20 #9
War Crimes Bayard Jun 20 #10
They murder reporters so.... Klarkashton Jun 21 #26
Witnesses and medics say this. Thousands of injured or traumatized witnesses. AloeVera Jun 21 #27
Prove it. "Hamas Sez" says the terrorist organization. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 20 #11
Read Post #9. muriel_volestrangler Jun 20 #12
"Hamas sez witnesses say" isn't any better. PROVE IT. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 20 #13
Typing in caps doesn't make your case any stronger. muriel_volestrangler Jun 20 #15
Of course I ignore eyewitnesses, just like police and judges ignore them. PROVE. IT. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 20 #17
Since we know w/o a shadow of a doubt that Israel is starving 2 million people in Gaza questionseverything Jun 21 #28
As you know the IDF has admitted to shootings iemanja Jun 21 #37
eyewitness testimony is direct evidence, not circumstantial iemanja Jun 21 #38
Having a rough time with Iranians, Israel takes their frustration out on innocent starving people seeking food aid. Jit423 Jun 20 #14
"these people" ? sarisataka Jun 20 #16
Again iemanja Jun 20 #18
Because the incidents are invented or facts are changed. Mosby Jun 21 #20
Shame the tweet is itself a bit inaccurate - that wasn't "days later", but the next day muriel_volestrangler Jun 21 #21
Of course that's how Israeli propaganda works! AloeVera Jun 21 #22
The IDF has already admitted to shootings iemanja Jun 21 #24
Or destroying telecommunications. AloeVera Jun 21 #25
Respectfully, from a combat Marine's point of view, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 21 #29
I beg you to think for a minute. AloeVera Jun 21 #31
I hear what you're saying and for the most part, I agree, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 21 #32
Peace out Dan. AloeVera Jun 21 #33
Yes, here we are, another Fucking Unjustified War by a war criminal. MarineCombatEngineer Jun 21 #34
And, as I forgot to mention, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 21 #35
Disgusting Owl Jun 20 #19
ISRAELI GENOCIDE in Gaza, while we fight their other war for them. Jack Valentino Jun 21 #36
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