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muriel_volestrangler

(104,227 posts)
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 07:25 AM Jun 20

Israeli military kills 23 Palestinians near aid site in Gaza, witnesses and medics say

Source: BBC

Israeli forces have killed 23 Palestinians after opening fire on crowds who had gathered near an aid distribution site, witnesses and medics say.

Tanks and drones fired at thousands of people near an aid distribution centre in central Gaza run by the US- and Israeli-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), the witnesses and medics said.

A spokesperson for al-Awda hospital in Nuseirat confirmed that 23 bodies and more than 100 wounded people had been brought there. Images from the hospital showed bodies on the floor.

There was no immediate comment from the Israeli military. The Hamas-run health ministry says more than 400 Palestinians have been killed in similar incidents since late May.

Read more: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0vgerp402o



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Israeli military kills 23 Palestinians near aid site in Gaza, witnesses and medics say (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Jun 20 OP
Work harder Duncanpup Jun 20 #1
Amen.... Butterflylady Jun 21 #30
The standard answer atreides1 Jun 20 #2
Let me guess: a Hamas member was reported somewhere Orrex Jun 20 #3
Couple a dozen food/aid seekers a day seems to be the program... mpcamb Jun 20 #7
Just enough to scare the others away... AloeVera Jun 21 #23
Truly inhumane to murder starving people just trying to get food. Lonestarblue Jun 20 #4
Yet more claudette Jun 20 #5
So convenient of them to make it easier on the IDF by gathering together in groups like that ms liberty Jun 20 #6
"The Hamas-run health ministry says ..." speak easy Jun 20 #8
Unicef's global spokesperson says: muriel_volestrangler Jun 20 #9
War Crimes Bayard Jun 20 #10
They murder reporters so.... Klarkashton Jun 21 #26
Witnesses and medics say this. Thousands of injured or traumatized witnesses. AloeVera Jun 21 #27
Prove it. "Hamas Sez" says the terrorist organization. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 20 #11
Read Post #9. muriel_volestrangler Jun 20 #12
"Hamas sez witnesses say" isn't any better. PROVE IT. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 20 #13
Typing in caps doesn't make your case any stronger. muriel_volestrangler Jun 20 #15
Of course I ignore eyewitnesses, just like police and judges ignore them. PROVE. IT. Hellbound Hellhound Jun 20 #17
Since we know w/o a shadow of a doubt that Israel is starving 2 million people in Gaza questionseverything Jun 21 #28
As you know the IDF has admitted to shootings iemanja Jun 21 #37
eyewitness testimony is direct evidence, not circumstantial iemanja Jun 21 #38
Having a rough time with Iranians, Israel takes their frustration out on innocent starving people seeking food aid. Jit423 Jun 20 #14
"these people" ? sarisataka Jun 20 #16
Again iemanja Jun 20 #18
Because the incidents are invented or facts are changed. Mosby Jun 21 #20
Shame the tweet is itself a bit inaccurate - that wasn't "days later", but the next day muriel_volestrangler Jun 21 #21
Of course that's how Israeli propaganda works! AloeVera Jun 21 #22
The IDF has already admitted to shootings iemanja Jun 21 #24
Or destroying telecommunications. AloeVera Jun 21 #25
Respectfully, from a combat Marine's point of view, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 21 #29
I beg you to think for a minute. AloeVera Jun 21 #31
I hear what you're saying and for the most part, I agree, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 21 #32
Peace out Dan. AloeVera Jun 21 #33
Yes, here we are, another Fucking Unjustified War by a war criminal. MarineCombatEngineer Jun 21 #34
And, as I forgot to mention, MarineCombatEngineer Jun 21 #35
Disgusting Owl Jun 20 #19
ISRAELI GENOCIDE in Gaza, while we fight their other war for them. Jack Valentino Jun 21 #36

Duncanpup

(14,931 posts)
1. Work harder
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 07:29 AM
Jun 20

Last edited Fri Jun 20, 2025, 08:41 AM - Edit history (1)

AIPAC is entitled to our taxpayer dollars to fund FUCKING GENOCIDE.

Butterflylady

(4,498 posts)
30. Amen....
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 04:20 PM
Jun 21

AIPAC also has ties to a lot of dumps cabinet members.

That certainly answers a lot of questions.

atreides1

(16,799 posts)
2. The standard answer
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 07:33 AM
Jun 20

So what!

An answer that seems to be completely acceptable by their supporters, no matter what!!!

Hamas kills men women and children and everyone loses their fucking minds. The IDF kills men women and children and some will make the excuses for them!!!

Orrex

(65,663 posts)
3. Let me guess: a Hamas member was reported somewhere
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 07:43 AM
Jun 20

As a result, Bibi had no choice but to murder a few dozen civilians

AloeVera

(3,455 posts)
23. Just enough to scare the others away...
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 02:31 PM
Jun 21

But not enough to awaken the willfully-blind and propagandized conscience of our so-called Western "leaders".

But as the killings become more and more normalized, watch for the numbers to creep up... What will our brave leaders do then? Sanction one more West Bank settler? Issue vague threats of unspecified "consequences" that never materialize? Join Israel's destruction of Iran? All of the above? Feckless in the face of genocide!

Lonestarblue

(12,844 posts)
4. Truly inhumane to murder starving people just trying to get food.
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 08:03 AM
Jun 20

Of course, there has been nothing humane about Israel’s war of genocide against Palestinians, but lots of war crimes and debased treatment of them.

ms liberty

(10,425 posts)
6. So convenient of them to make it easier on the IDF by gathering together in groups like that
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 08:19 AM
Jun 20

Last edited Sat Jun 21, 2025, 08:47 AM - Edit history (1)

I'm sure there must have been a Hamas member in there somewhere, and if not well they still probably deserved it.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,227 posts)
9. Unicef's global spokesperson says:
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 10:58 AM
Jun 20
Abed Al Rahman, just a boy, carried the weight of his family’s hunger as he stepped into the streets of Gaza in search of bread. He had his father’s money, but when he saw the tide of people pushing towards a food distribution site in Rafah, hunger pulled him into their flow.

Almost immediately, the site descended into chaos. Gunfire. Drones. Then in a flash, shrapnel from a tank shell ripped through his little body. When I met him at a hospital in Khan Younis – where painkillers, like food, are scarce – the 13-year-old was in agony. “I have shrapnel inside my body that they couldn’t remove,” he told me. “I am in real pain; since 6am I have been asking for a painkiller.” As he recounted the chaos, his father’s composure shattered, and tears rolled down his face. Was he going to lose his son simply because Abed Al Rahman wanted his family to eat?
...
In the first week of the GHF’s operation, there were five mass-casualty events in the vicinity of distribution sites as desperate civilians were met by gun and tank fire. Children have been killed. The UN’s aid chief, Tom Fletcher, said the sites made “starvation a bargaining chip” and were “a fig leaf for further violence and displacement”. A system that bypasses the UN has, in fact, bypassed humanity. Indeed, politicised aid distribution is unsafe for everyone involved – last week, the GHF said eight of its local team members and volunteers had been killed.
...
On the same morning I met Abed Al Rahman, I spoke with 24-year-old Sheima, also hospitalised. She, too, went to one of the GHF distribution sites. Different day, same story: her family was denied humanitarian aid for months. Consumed by hunger, her father too sick to travel, Sheima reached a site. Again, gunfire. Boxes of food thrown to the dirt. “I saw dead bodies on the ground,” she told me. “People stepping over them, just trying to get some food.” In the mayhem, Sheima became entangled in wire – her leg and arm torn open as she tried to flee. She didn’t get any food. “Even though I almost died, I would go again,” she said. “I’m the eldest in my family – we need food to survive. I wish to die with a full stomach, not from starvation.”
...
Abed Al Rahman died of his injuries on 17 June 2025, after this article was written.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/20/gaza-food-aid-unicef-palestinians-starve

But sure, stick your head in the sand of "The Hamas-run health ministry says ... QED". Outside journalists are banned from entering Gaza. Israel has killed 170 journalists and media workers who live there. Hospitals and aid organizations back up what the "Hamas-run health ministry says". But, you know, Hamas said it first, so you can give yourself permission to ignore it.

Bayard

(26,193 posts)
10. War Crimes
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 12:38 PM
Jun 20

And no one stopping them. I don't care which side you favor you can't deny these are war crimes on starving civilians. trump must be so proud to sponsor it.

AloeVera

(3,455 posts)
27. Witnesses and medics say this. Thousands of injured or traumatized witnesses.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 03:10 PM
Jun 21

Go ahead and discount the repeated pattern of killings that even the IDF has admitted to. They have admitted firing into crowds with tank shellings. You are not aware of what tank shells and shrapnel cause when fired into a densely-packed crowd? You should look it up. Quadcopters too while you're at it.

Denial feeds the genocide-machine.

11. Prove it. "Hamas Sez" says the terrorist organization.
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 12:46 PM
Jun 20

I, a witness, and my closest and dearest family members, saw a UFO.

Prove us wrong.

"Hamas Sez" indeed.

13. "Hamas sez witnesses say" isn't any better. PROVE IT.
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 12:51 PM
Jun 20

Bodies were brought into a hospital. Prove they were killed by an Israeli attack, since Hamas is also known to attack aid convoys.

Until it can be proven that Israel killed these folks, it's just propaganda.

PROVE IT.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,227 posts)
15. Typing in caps doesn't make your case any stronger.
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 01:00 PM
Jun 20

I'd have thought the current US president would have shown you that.

You ignore the eye witnesses. You ignore the Unicef spokesperson, who talked to the victim before he died. You ignore, it seems, everything that is awkward for your point of view. That's what Netanyahu does, of course.

17. Of course I ignore eyewitnesses, just like police and judges ignore them. PROVE. IT.
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 01:08 PM
Jun 20

Circumstantial evidence isn't evidence; it's the random word of some rando who thinks they know what they saw. Like I said, my family and I saw a UFO! Prove it otherwise! It's Oh-So-Convenient (TM) if they "Die" before they can give properly recorded testimony.

Caps may offend you but the sentiment stands: You can't, and Hamas can't, prove this happened, yet you're spouting it. Why?

"Hamas Sez" indeed.

questionseverything

(11,124 posts)
28. Since we know w/o a shadow of a doubt that Israel is starving 2 million people in Gaza
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 03:31 PM
Jun 21

It’s not much of a jump to believing the un , and the press when they report Isreal murders people waiting to get food

iemanja

(56,370 posts)
37. As you know the IDF has admitted to shootings
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 10:44 PM
Jun 21

At aid sites. I have trouble believing that you actually believe what you say. It requires ignoring even Israel’s own armed forces. I think we know you’re well aware of what’s happening.

iemanja

(56,370 posts)
38. eyewitness testimony is direct evidence, not circumstantial
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 10:51 PM
Jun 21

Why, I wonder, is Israel so determined to keep journalists out of Gaza? A nation that wants the truth reported welcomes journalists. Israel bans them. There is no question Israel has committed countless war crimes. They are well documented, and Israel has admitted to many of them. You know this, yet you pretend otherwise. It's not even slightly convincing.

Defending genocide and war crimes is not acceptable.

Jit423

(1,568 posts)
14. Having a rough time with Iranians, Israel takes their frustration out on innocent starving people seeking food aid.
Fri Jun 20, 2025, 12:54 PM
Jun 20

Tell me again why some Christians believe these people are the "Chosen People?" Chosen for what?

Mosby

(18,827 posts)
20. Because the incidents are invented or facts are changed.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 12:11 PM
Jun 21

In order to demonize Israel and the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.

Hen Mazzig
@HenMazzig

WATCH: NBC clarifies days later that the people they claimed were killed at a Gaza Humanitarian Foundation food distribution site in Gaza were actually killed at a United Nations food distribution site.

Media are repeating verbatim bogus Hamas claims that people are getting killed seeking aid. These claims are clear examples of Hamas propaganda meant to discredit the GHF, the new source of aid being delivered directly to Gazan civilians.

Hamas relies on its income from hoarding and selling aid to innocent people. It's their lifeline. That's exactly why the US has funded an alternative.

Mainstream media must stop reporting Hamas propaganda as fact. The future of Gaza and the safety of its citizens depends on it.



muriel_volestrangler

(104,227 posts)
21. Shame the tweet is itself a bit inaccurate - that wasn't "days later", but the next day
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 01:01 PM
Jun 21

but that was just NBC's reporting that had been wrong. On DU, we had the accurate reporting by midday local time on the Tuesday:

Palestinian witnesses said Israeli forces carried out an airstrike on a nearby home before opening fire toward the crowd in the southern city of Khan Younis on Tuesday morning. The military did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The killings did not appear to be related to a new Israel- and US-supported aid delivery network that was introduced last month and has been marred by controversy and violence.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143480189

The article as it was then:
At least 51 Palestinians killed in Gaza waiting for food trucks, says health ministry
More than 200 also wounded on Tuesday morning as they waited for UN and commercial trucks to enter territory with aid supplies

At least 51 Palestinians have been killed and more than 200 wounded while waiting for UN and commercial trucks to enter the territory with desperately needed food, according to Gaza’s health ministry and a local hospital.

Palestinian witnesses said Israeli forces carried out an airstrike on a nearby home before opening fire toward the crowd in the southern city of Khan Younis on Tuesday morning. The military did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The killings did not appear to be related to a new Israel- and US-supported aid delivery network that was rolled out last month and has been marred by controversy and violence.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250617091048/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/17/dozens-killed-in-gaza-waiting-for-food-trucks-says-health-ministry

Perhaps Hamas had claimed that was a GHF site, but I saw no sign of it at the time. When it was specified in articles I read, it said it was UN trucks, and not the GHF. It's NBC's problem, not "mainstream media". The tweet has unfortunately implied that this wasn't an instance of people getting killed seeking aid; it was, with UN trucks.

AloeVera

(3,455 posts)
22. Of course that's how Israeli propaganda works!
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 02:17 PM
Jun 21

Hen Mazzig is one of the best/worst depending on whether you stand for truth or want to bury your head in the sand...

Pounce on one irrelevant mistake by ONE news outlet and generalize it to claim everything is a lie.

The killings by the IDF take place wherever the pitiful amount of food is available. Whether at the aid hubs - and there have been at least 6 or 7 such instances, perhaps more by now - or at the very rare UN aid trucks allowed in - the system is DESIGNED to both starve and kill.

In order to gloss over this harsh reality, genocide-deniers like to nitpick on irrelevant mistakes so that they can generalize it to claim that everything is a lie.

The other thing they like to gloss over is the reality of the suffering of little children and adults alike, created and sustained with relish by the state they idolize.

iemanja

(56,370 posts)
24. The IDF has already admitted to shootings
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 02:38 PM
Jun 21

At aid sites, as you well know.

Additionally, if Israel were interested in the world knowing the truth, they would allow journalists into Gaza rather than banning foreign journalists and murdering Palestinian journalists.

AloeVera

(3,455 posts)
25. Or destroying telecommunications.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 02:46 PM
Jun 21

Over and over. This last time, the last remaining cable into Gaza, over a week ago.

Then they pounce on the fact "there are no videos". So the killings must be a "lie".

It's diabolical.

Other than silencing witnesses to the atrocities, lack of internet and phones means people can't access IDF "warnings" to evacuate, or where to get aid and when. Ambulances etc can't get to the wounded or trapped.

To say it's diabolical might even be an understatement. It's genocidal.

MarineCombatEngineer

(15,864 posts)
29. Respectfully, from a combat Marine's point of view,
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 03:43 PM
Jun 21

Last edited Sat Jun 21, 2025, 04:29 PM - Edit history (3)

destroying an enemies Comms is standard procedure in a war, the US Military, even when I was active, we were taught to go for the C&C vehicle, or Command posts to deny the enemy being able to communicate with forward forces.
Now, whether or not this is good strategy is not debatable , but within the US Military, and just about any other modern Military, those that have never served would not understand, with my training within the USMC, this is the best strategy to disrupt the enemies plans.

AloeVera

(3,455 posts)
31. I beg you to think for a minute.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 06:02 PM
Jun 21

You are citing individual instances of blackout - not a general blackout impacting the whole CIVILIAN population.

Further, Gaza is not at all like a conventional war. There is no military defending the assaulted population. It's being assaulted from the air with advanced jet fighters and bombs, quadcopters and on the ground by heavy artillery - against which Gaza has absolutely no defense. So it's not a war, it's a killing field.

However, even if it were anything resembling a conventional war, there are laws governing its conduct - which Israel has ignored and violated repeatedly. In this instance, these amount to cyberattacks and are in violation of the principles of distinction and proportionality, in conjunction with the Customary Rule 54: prohibition of attacks against objects indispensable to the survival of civilian population.

This article from an international law expert explains why blanket blackouts are a form of cyber operations and illegal. Much more at the link:
https://opiniojuris.org/2024/03/20/communication-blackouts-israeli-cyberattacks-against-civilians-in-gaza/

Do Israeli acts in Gaza qualify as cyberattacks? Communication blackouts and internet shutdowns in Gaza qualify as cyberattacks. They are violent in their means (bombing critical infrastructure) and effects (harming civilians). They have ultimately endangered the safety and wellbeing of civilians and halted the work of medical services, humanitarian aid, and relief. For example, the lack of access to the internet has prevented civilians in Gaza from knowing where the declared safe areas and evacuation routes are, as the Israeli military uses social media and QR-code leaflets. Civilians have not been able to communicate with their own family members or reach out to healthcare services. Medical service providers and health workers have not been able to reach those killed and injured, and medical crews have not been able to communicate with each other. Internet shutdowns have also resulted in widespread service disruption and obstructed the delivery of humanitarian aid. The UN-OCHA has stated that internet and communication shutdowns have put the “delivery of humanitarian assistance to an almost complete halt, including life-saving assistance to people injured or trapped under the rubble.” Human rights organisations, including Access Now, have stated that Israel is using internet shutdowns as a weapon of war and military tactic, creating an “air of impunity during armed conflicts and provide cover for grave human rights abuses and [as] a form of collective punishment.”


Bolding mine - for emphasis on the awful consequences for civilians. We would not accept this level of suffering for any of "our own". That it's considered acceptable for Palestinians to suffer like this has led me to conclude a while ago that this is racism and Arab/Muslim hate, specifically of Palestinians in this case.

Even if hypothetically, this were done simply for military reasons, that would be disturbing too. It would reveal that concern for Palestinian civilians and international law protecting them is not even a consideration. That only Israel's military interests matter. It's a pattern, since the beginning of this "war" and hence the high civilian casualties and acts that without a doubt amount to war crimes.

MarineCombatEngineer

(15,864 posts)
32. I hear what you're saying and for the most part, I agree,
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 07:49 PM
Jun 21

I was just giving you what standard military doctrine, from my training and combat experience, is.
Remember, I enlisted in the Corps during the Cold War when we thought that the Soviets were going to pour through the Fulda Gap in W. Germany, we were trained to take out the tanks and APC's with the command antennas to disrupt the C&C and cause confusion throughout the front line Soviet units because the Soviet Command structure was set up so that no commander could make an independent decision, every action taken by a Soviet commander had to be approved at the Brigade level by an officer, which takes time and therefore created an opportunity to decimate the enemy.

We weren't worried about the morality, we were more worried about staying alive.
Peace out
Dan.

MarineCombatEngineer

(15,864 posts)
34. Yes, here we are, another Fucking Unjustified War by a war criminal.
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 10:13 PM
Jun 21

As you know, I have been vehemently opposed to US involvement in this war, but Been A Dick Donald is bound and determined to become a war time Pres. that he doesn't realize the Dogs of War he has unleashed.

MarineCombatEngineer

(15,864 posts)
35. And, as I forgot to mention,
Sat Jun 21, 2025, 10:30 PM
Jun 21

this is all because of Been A Dick Donald's kowtoing to Nuttyahoo's desire to directly US forces in his ill conceived strike on Iran.

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