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jfz9580m

(16,146 posts)
40. I am nonwhite
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 02:31 AM
19 hrs ago

I don’t disagree with some of what you said. I am not much for Fafo glee. The only glee I feel is when someone like Larry Summers goes down.

But it doesn’t have to be racism versus sexism. The reality is that there are a lot of sexist or machismo attitudes in non-white groups as well as white.

Just as I don’t care for the Fafo stuff now,
I didn’t like the Karen crap. I don’t mean the odd throw-away remark. Everyone has those.

But when most of your politics is about mob piling on, that’s lame. Not a fan of politics playing out like athletics.

I have faced a lot of harassment from a subset of nonwhite men with the same creepy attitudes Trump, Vance etc have. But they would probably use bs like “white feminism” or “Western Feminism” to force their cultural agendas when needed.

Look, there are a lot of assholes and creeps in all groups and racism like classism is obviously structurally built in.
But there is certainly far too much male creep solidarity and that is an unambiguous factor in Trump support along with the racist Maha momfluencers types you rightly castigate.

I myself don’t like the face eating leopard stuff much. I get where you are coming from.

But there is a strain of misogyny on even the left that owes to this perception of women as the enemy.

I have been dealing with a lot of harassment (I am not in the US) from a relatively small but super creepy group of nonwhite men. They are the exceptions not the rule. But it has had the effect of tilting my attention away from racism and towards sexism and religious backwardness.

There is far too much tolerance of men like that on the left for long stretches followed by the inevitable backlash. Which then again becomes a mob spectacle. The backlash against that follows then etc. This wearisome cycle has to end.

Surely we can do better than this by now and start identifying the way divide and rule works and not throw away the rights of the consistently progressive to keep appealing to the fickle with few principles who are batted this way or that this easily.

Men disproportionately have more power in society and the men in power are fueling a cycle dispossession via tech.

For the big tent to work, women’s rights have to be taken more seriously than they are. I saw this mind boggling stupid Jacobin writer Ben Wray casually refer to abortion rights as “popular”. As if that’s all that matters.

It is blind to ignore how much misogyny or just plain backwardness there is across the board. That’s a big driver in all this.

I agree about African Americans consistently being one of the sanest demographics I have seen and that inspite of being pretty embattled.

It’s actually a small subset that drives the worst dynamics, but they polarize everyone else and distort things. It’s bloody tiresome.

It’s also hard to explain these things so they hit the actual targets and not random people who take it personally and get creep polarized.

We are far from civilized underneath the surface which the state of the planet, factory farming and other issues we have collectively decided apparently don’t matter at all attest to.

I am myself not much into herding and influence. I wonder how many cycles of this people need. We are a bit of an asshole species and that is the root problem. We bully other species and the planet and each other when we can. It forces the less conflict oriented among us to learn from Merrick Garland.

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