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Cirsium

(3,164 posts)
37. I didn't say that
Tue Nov 18, 2025, 01:30 AM
20 hrs ago

I don't think polls of population groups on specific issues are not valid topics. I think they can be misleading, too.

Yes, several of the comments are racist. That does not mean that I said that "DUers are racist." That is the trick the right wingers and white supremacists use to shut down discussions. Any criticism of racist ideas being expressed is met with "how dare you call me racist," as though pointing out racist comments was the real evil, rather than the racist comments themselves.

Beyond that, blaming the voters for the catastrophic failure by national leadership class in all aspects of society is weak. Relishing the suffering of others- "FAFO" - is distinctly illiberal.

All of that said, I think that the people who voted for Trump - we could look at white women, for example, if we want to talk ethnic groups - are ignorant, cruel, or both and I think MAGA needs to be utterly destroyed. Mass insanity rules. If we want to look at groups of people, the only sane group in the country, in my opinion, is African Americans, especially African American women. White supremacy and patriarchy have severely impacted the critical thinking skills of most people in the country. Racism distorts everything - politics, economics, social relations - and that irrationality is like a virus, infecting people's views on everything.

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K&R spanone Yesterday #1
President Gavin Newsom will hopefully FILL our prisons with prosecuted ICE agents. nt Exp Yesterday #2
Live and learn little dudes, you were told. republianmushroom Yesterday #3
They're in the FINDING OUT stage Martin Eden Yesterday #4
K&R for, their self-care hit a snag in real time back then. UTUSN Yesterday #5
That's Good they're finally seeing Cha Yesterday #6
They used to. Things changed, inside & out - the times, Catholicism, under-awareness, focus on UTUSN 21 hrs ago #33
Yes they did. I was a little Cha 21 hrs ago #34
They are prime for charisma and heart: JFK, RFK, the CLINTONs. UTUSN 20 hrs ago #35
Mahalo for All Those Historical Anecdotes, Cha 20 hrs ago #38
How they turned toward him in the first place is beyond me. Scrivener7 Yesterday #7
Misogyny is pretty universal jfz9580m Yesterday #9
I teach in a heavily Hispanic school district in West Michigan and I democratsruletheday Yesterday #12
This is something white liberals jfz9580m Yesterday #21
White liberals figured out the Republican message a long time ago. OAITW r.2.0 23 hrs ago #27
Charisma, maxsolomon Yesterday #14
I hear you about abortion, but charisma? No. Appeal to misogyny and racism more likely. Scrivener7 Yesterday #15
Because we find MFer an abhorrent human, many at DU cannot recognize he has Dark Charisma. maxsolomon Yesterday #18
I think we are talking about the same thing, but you are calling it charisma and I am Scrivener7 Yesterday #20
I don't think that's Charisma. maxsolomon Yesterday #22
Celebrity Machismo..."El Principe" haele 8 hrs ago #43
i.e, a fundamental form of misogyny Scrivener7 8 hrs ago #46
In many cases that Dark Charisma just comes from being being the Alpha thought crime 8 hrs ago #44
I don't understand how it could possibly be charisma dickthegrouch 9 hrs ago #41
Crawling back, minus their faces..... Coventina Yesterday #8
What happened to that song Keepthesoulalive Yesterday #10
Latinos have a lot to make up for, if you ask me. ffr Yesterday #11
The ones that fled Castro were diehard anti-communists and natural Republican targets. OAITW r.2.0 23 hrs ago #28
Yup orangecrush Yesterday #13
They may recognize the mistake now Red Mountain Yesterday #16
Too bad it's too late. nt Susan Calvin Yesterday #17
Sooo....what you're saying is that if we did a better job with our allies, Trump would have gotten stomped? Moostache Yesterday #19
Terrible thread Cirsium Yesterday #23
Take your bothsiderism outta here! Coventina Yesterday #24
Nonsense Cirsium Yesterday #25
This is about voting for Trump Coventina Yesterday #26
You make my point Cirsium 22 hrs ago #31
If you don't think polls of population groups on specifc issues are valid topics Coventina 22 hrs ago #32
I didn't say that Cirsium 20 hrs ago #37
Blaming "the elites" is also an illiberal talking point. Coventina 19 hrs ago #39
Blaming the elites Cirsium 9 hrs ago #42
I am nonwhite jfz9580m 19 hrs ago #40
I agree Cirsium 8 hrs ago #45
Neat post jfz9580m 51 min ago #47
Interesting stats. Harry Enten should do weather though. Bristlecone 23 hrs ago #29
I get it. His presentation style is a bit unusual for sure. writes3000 22 hrs ago #30
He's neurodivergent róisín_dubh 20 hrs ago #36
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