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Ocelot II

(128,335 posts)
14. Apparently there were no lapses; that is, nothing is actually missing.
Mon Nov 17, 2025, 12:22 PM
Yesterday

But it looks like Lindsey Hooligan might have lied about the manner in which she presented the indictment to the grand jury.

What happened is that the prosecutor had presented the grand jury with two inconsistent indictments, the first with three counts and the second removing the first count. Both indictments were fully executed by grand jury foreperson and the prosecutor. After questioning the GJ foreperson the magistrate judge accepted the return of the second signed indictment, which was a new indictment that would have been presented to the GJ before being returned in open court. It now appears that may not have happened. The prosecutor stated that after the grand jury was left to deliberate on the first indictment at approximately 4:28 p.m., she had no further contact with the grand jury, and that about two hours later the acting assistant USA notified her that the grand jury returned a true bill on only two of the three counts of the first indictment. The prosecutor then went to the courtroom for the return of the indictment. The hearing on the return of the indictment began only about 7 minutes later.

The short time span between the moment the prosecutor learned that the grand jury rejected one count in the original indictment and the time the prosecutor appeared in court to return the second indictment could not have been sufficient to draft the second indictment, sign the second indictment, present it to the grand jury, provide legal instructions to the grand jury, and give them an opportunity to deliberate and render a decision on the new indictment. If the prosecutor is mistaken about the time she received notification of the grand jury’s vote on the original indictment, and this procedure did take place, then the transcript and audio recording provided to the Court are incomplete. If this procedure did not take place, then the Court is in uncharted legal territory in that the indictment returned in open court was not the same charging document presented to and deliberated upon by the grand jury.

If the Court is to read the prosecutor’s declaration as suggesting there was no contact between any government official and the grand jury after 4:28 p.m., then it begs the question of how the then-First Assistant learned that the grand jury had refused to indict on one count, and how the First Assistant knew which count had been rejected by the grand jury, all before the indictment was returned in open court.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.582135/gov.uscourts.vaed.582135.191.0.pdf

What the judge didn't say, but what I suspect happened, is that Insurance Lawyer Halligan didn't want to present an indictment that included a count as to which the GJ found no probable cause - she wanted to be able to say they'd indicted Comey on all counts. But it looks like she never actually presented the second, two-count indictment at all.

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Wow, that's a legal black swan event! Ocelot II Yesterday #1
Do they have all of it? gab13by13 Yesterday #6
Apparently there were no lapses; that is, nothing is actually missing. Ocelot II Yesterday #14
Is she this bad Johonny Yesterday #20
Probably both. She obviously doesn't know what she's doing, Ocelot II Yesterday #21
These cases against the people that stood up to him in his first term MissouriDem47 23 hrs ago #34
There are three documents signed by the grand jury foreperson onenote Yesterday #31
Pam Bondi has destroyed the court's usual deference to the DOJ Arazi Yesterday #2
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Yesterday #3
Department of Justice? Department of CORRUPTION. spanone Yesterday #4
Department of Injustice. nt MarineCombatEngineer Yesterday #7
PERFECT!! bluestarone Yesterday #29
It is actually beyondtimes 17 hrs ago #36
SAD. trumps DOJ ordered to do their job, properly and by the book BOSSHOG Yesterday #5
She can still be AG even if she's disbarred Arazi Yesterday #11
Thank You BOSSHOG Yesterday #12
Read my post below, it doesn't seem she can, she would no longer have a law license, which is a requirement, thus Escurumbele Yesterday #25
Thank You BOSSHOG Yesterday #32
Disbar her anyway. She needs to suffer personal consequences Mr.WeRP Yesterday #13
It doesn't seem like she can. Escurumbele Yesterday #24
This case is collapsing faster than the Trump economy. Happy Hoosier Yesterday #8
Maybe he could impose tariffs. BOSSHOG Yesterday #10
I'm glad that Fitzgerald is running an aggressive speedy trial offense here Prairie Gates Yesterday #9
Huge slap in DOJ's face. Pepsidog Yesterday #15
Maybe that slap will knock the shit off of Pam Bondi's nose. Emile Yesterday #16
Perfect! MayReasonRule Yesterday #26
When we regain power -- and we will -- anyone taking part in these sham investigations and prosecutions... W_HAMILTON Yesterday #17
K&R red dog 1 Yesterday #18
Democracy Docket-Judge Sees 'Profound Investigative Missteps' in Trump's Comey Prosecution LetMyPeopleVote Yesterday #19
Duh! malaise Yesterday #22
Stay tuned for another episode of, "Halligan's Lie-land"! A Donald Trump production. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Yesterday #23
What's that old saying? "Things fall apart. The center cannot hold..." calimary Yesterday #27
That sounds like a whole lot of legalese. I'm not really sure Halligan will get the message. flashman13 Yesterday #28
disbar her and file perjury charges against her moonshinegnomie Yesterday #30
No one in this administration can be trusted. The fish rots from the head. surfered Yesterday #33
Fitzmas may actually happen this year and not just in 24 business hours. madinmaryland 23 hrs ago #35
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