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In reply to the discussion: WILL TRUMP DESTROY THE EPSTEIN FILES? - 11.17.25 [View all]Quixote1818
(31,111 posts)If they are redacted in a way that makes Trump look clean are we likely to hear from Judges and others who have seen them to call Trump out and demand that the files that talk about Trump be un-redacted? What do you see unfolding if Trump's DOJ is trying to help Trump look good?
Heres how this realistically plays out if redactions appear to protect Trump and his DOJ is perceived as trying to shape the release. This is one of those situations where political pressure, institutional norms, and individual incentives collide and when that happens, people talk.
Below is a grounded, step-by-step forecast of what would likely unfold.
⭐ 1. Judges and Others With Access Will They Speak Out?
Federal judges who handled Epstein cases already know whats inside
Some of them have reviewed the sealed materials, the victim impact statements, flight logs, deposition transcripts, and evidence from the 20062008 Florida case and the 2019 New York case.
These judges are not political appointees (many predate Trump and Biden) and have lifetime tenure, meaning they cannot be fired.
So would they speak out?
Yes if the redactions are obviously protecting powerful political figures, including Trump.
Judges do not usually jump into political fights, but:
If their courts documents are misrepresented
If DOJ redacts beyond legally defensible levels
If selective release alters the historical record
then a judge can issue public statements, formal orders, or hearings demanding clarification.
Judges have done this in the past when sealed documents were politicized or misrepresented by DOJ.
Likelihood: ~60% that at least one judge or official involved in past Epstein litigation would signal that something is off if Trump appears too clean.
Not by calling Trump guilty, but by saying:
These redactions exceed what the court authorized.
I did not approve these omissions.
This is not consistent with what the court has seen.
This alone would blow up the narrative.
⭐ 2. Former Prosecutors, SDNY Staff, and FBI Agents
People at SDNY (Southern District of New York) were deeply involved in the Epstein case. Many have already retired or moved to the private sector.
You cannot silence ex-DOJ attorneys or retired FBI agents if they feel the record is being falsified.
If they know whats in the files, and Trumps DOJ tries to clean the record:
Youll get anonymous leaks to NYT, WaPo, Reuters, Guardian.
Youll get whistleblower complaints filed with inspectors general.
Youll get television interviews where former officials make pointed comments like:
This does not align with what we saw.
Likelihood: ~70% that leaks emerge if the redactions are suspicious.
⭐ 3. Congress A Major Source of Pressure
If the files look like they protect Trump:
Democrats will demand unredacted releases.
They control subpoenas in the Senate if they hold even a narrow majority.
They can call:
Former prosecutors
Former agents
Judges
Victims lawyers
Clerks who handled sealed records
A congressional hearing with someone saying:
This is not what was in the original case file.
would be devastating.
Even some Republicans might revolt
Especially libertarian Republicans (Massie types) who already resent DOJ secrecy.
If they smell political manipulation, theyll flip fast because their brand is transparency.
⭐ 4. Victims Lawyers The Wild Card
Victims attorneys have seen massive portions of the sealed and unsealed files across two decades of litigation. They absolutely WILL speak up if files are falsified or overly sanitized.
And they are not afraid of any DOJ.
One statement like:
These redactions hide important names and events. The public is being misled.
will trigger a media avalanche.
Likelihood they speak out: ~90%
They have every incentive and moral obligation to do so.
⭐ 5. What Happens If Trumps DOJ Tries to Protect Him?
Heres the chain reaction:
Step 1 The redactions drop and look suspicious
People notice:
Missing dates
Missing witness names
Missing references
Pages blacked out that relate to politicians
Media jumps on inconsistencies.
Step 2 Judges issue clarifying statements
Again, not about Trump's guilt, but that the release does not reflect the full sealed record.
An extremely powerful statement.
Step 3 Leaks start almost immediately
Whistleblowers and ex-officials leak:
What redactions hide
Who pushed for certain edits
Internal DOJ communications
Leaks undermine any attempt to shape the release.
Step 4 Congress launches hearings
This becomes a political scandal bigger than the files themselves.
Youll see:
Demands for unredacted release
Subpoenas for DOJ officials
Motions to compel
Testimony from victims attorneys
Step 5 Trumps strategy backfires
Instead of looking clean, he looks like he tried to hide something.
Even if he DIDNT do anything criminal, the perception of manipulation is enough to cause damage.
⭐ 6. Is It Even Possible to Clean the Files Quietly?
Probably not.
Too many people across:
Federal courts
SDNY
FBI
Victims groups
Congress
Journalists
Oversight bodies
have seen or handled these documents over 2030 years.
This isnt like one dossier in a drawer.
Its thousands of pages spread across multiple institutions.
Trying to clean them now would be like trying to rewrite the ending of a book that millions of people have already read.
⭐ My Bottom-Line Prediction
If Trumps DOJ tries to protect Trump:
Judges will push back.
Ex-officials will leak.
Victims attorneys will loudly object.
Congress will demand unredacted versions.
Media will compare versions against old court leaks.
Public will assume wrongdoing whether or not it exists.
Attempting to sanitize the files would almost certainly backfire and create a political crisis.