General Discussion

is often used to describe a person paying a minor for sex, therefore this reporting lacks the important detail in question.

If you went out and tried to find examples (as I have many times) you likely found, as I did, there is an extremely scarcity of known/established victims that have claimed outright that Epstein was doing to them what Guiffre said he did with her, i.e. like passing her around, telling her to give "massages" to his rich friends, etc.

My logic is that if there really were a "ring", it should not be hard to find a KNOWN victim who claims there was a "ring", that they had experiences like Guiffre being told to service other men, etc. Even without "naming names", the known victims have simply not publicly backed the idea of an actual sex trafficking ring, or said they were abused by people other than Epstein/Maxwell.

So my fundamental question is "was it really a "ring", or was it more like an Epstein "operation", possibly to get dirt on people, so he could extort them, keep them from ratting on him", etc. I am FAR from the only person to have speculated on this possibility in the past 7 years, and so far, it cannot be ruled out as being closer to the truth than an organized cabal/ring of rich pedos, talking to each other, knowing what each other were up to.

I'm asking you to provide proof to the contrary that is more concrete than a reporter describing a particular anonymous case as trafficking. Not trying to piss you off or frustrate you my friend