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In reply to the discussion: Epstein, Trump and "Katie Johnson": Lawsuit alleged that Trump raped 13-year-old girl at Epstein party! [View all]AZJonnie
(2,321 posts)24. Oh, dang there wasn't one when I read it last. I hate doing this but AI has access, so here you go
Heres a concise bullet-pointed list of reasons, per the Vox article and other reporting, that suggest the "Katie Johnson" lawsuit may have been a hoax or at minimum highly dubious:
No public evidence Katie Johnson exists: The only journalist who interviewed her (Jezebels Anna Merlan) came away deeply skeptical that she was a real person, noting evasive and inconsistent answers. Detective work failed to verify her identity; the address listed for her was a foreclosed home, and her phone number was disconnected.
Details matched press accounts, not private knowledge: Johnsons description of Epsteins Manhattan property matched a Vanity Fair article about Epstein; she gave information that tracked with publicly available reporting rather than unique, firsthand details.
Death threats and press conference no-show: Johnson abruptly cancelled a scheduled press conference with her lawyer, reporting alleged death threats, but did not reappear or provide evidence of threats.
Anonymous/accomplice witnesses: The witnesses listed in her suit (Tiffany Doe and Joan Doe) were anonymous and unverifiable; their stories likewise matched public rumor.
Inconsistent filings and narrative changes: The details of Johnsons allegations changed between filings and interviews, undermining credibility.
No criminal/civil follow-up: Johnson dropped the lawsuit days after cancelling the press conference and never reappeared; her lawyer, Lisa Bloom, issued no explanation beyond security concerns.
Promoted by dubious figures: The story was shopped to media outlets by Al Taylor (really Norm Lubow), a known publicity-seeker with a history of involvement in bogus lawsuits and tabloid controversies.
Detectives and journalists unable to confirm: Neither police, journalists, nor detectives could corroborate key events described by Johnson, or confirm her attendance at alleged Epstein parties with Trump.
No other complainant matched Katie Johnsons story: Other Epstein victimsincluding those who have testified and been identifiedmade no mention of seeing Johnson, or Trump, at the described events.
Summary:
The combination of unverifiable identity, recycled press info, failed corroboration, and promotional activity by known hucksters led journalists and some lawyers to believe the Katie Johnson case was likely a hoax or at minimum so poorly founded as to be uncredible.
No public evidence Katie Johnson exists: The only journalist who interviewed her (Jezebels Anna Merlan) came away deeply skeptical that she was a real person, noting evasive and inconsistent answers. Detective work failed to verify her identity; the address listed for her was a foreclosed home, and her phone number was disconnected.
Details matched press accounts, not private knowledge: Johnsons description of Epsteins Manhattan property matched a Vanity Fair article about Epstein; she gave information that tracked with publicly available reporting rather than unique, firsthand details.
Death threats and press conference no-show: Johnson abruptly cancelled a scheduled press conference with her lawyer, reporting alleged death threats, but did not reappear or provide evidence of threats.
Anonymous/accomplice witnesses: The witnesses listed in her suit (Tiffany Doe and Joan Doe) were anonymous and unverifiable; their stories likewise matched public rumor.
Inconsistent filings and narrative changes: The details of Johnsons allegations changed between filings and interviews, undermining credibility.
No criminal/civil follow-up: Johnson dropped the lawsuit days after cancelling the press conference and never reappeared; her lawyer, Lisa Bloom, issued no explanation beyond security concerns.
Promoted by dubious figures: The story was shopped to media outlets by Al Taylor (really Norm Lubow), a known publicity-seeker with a history of involvement in bogus lawsuits and tabloid controversies.
Detectives and journalists unable to confirm: Neither police, journalists, nor detectives could corroborate key events described by Johnson, or confirm her attendance at alleged Epstein parties with Trump.
No other complainant matched Katie Johnsons story: Other Epstein victimsincluding those who have testified and been identifiedmade no mention of seeing Johnson, or Trump, at the described events.
Summary:
The combination of unverifiable identity, recycled press info, failed corroboration, and promotional activity by known hucksters led journalists and some lawyers to believe the Katie Johnson case was likely a hoax or at minimum so poorly founded as to be uncredible.
It missed an important part that I remembered so asked it to detail those:
Here are some of the "cinematically depraved" details from the Katie Johnson lawsuit, as highlighted in the Vox article, added to the suspicious bullet list:
Alleged details were "cinematically depraved":
Johnson alleged she was violently raped by Trump, who supposedly struck her and threatened to kill her and her family if she talked.
She claimed that another girl, Maria, was forced by Trump to perform sex acts and then disappearedwith the implication that Trump had her killed or vanished.
Johnson said Epstein promised modeling gigs and money to lure girls, then held parties where girls aged 12 and 13 were allegedly raped by powerful men.
Allegations described Trump saying he could make people disappear, like Maria, heightening the sense of a dark, movie-like villain.
The claims included ritualistic threats, repeated rapes, and sinister orchestrations reminiscent of a crime film rather than most verified sex trafficking or assault narratives.
The over-the-top nature of these claimsdetailed in the lawsuit filings and highlighted in the Vox articlefueled journalists and lawyers suspicions that the case was either a hoax or grossly embellished, as these specifics were inconsistent with patterns in real sex abuse investigations.
Alleged details were "cinematically depraved":
Johnson alleged she was violently raped by Trump, who supposedly struck her and threatened to kill her and her family if she talked.
She claimed that another girl, Maria, was forced by Trump to perform sex acts and then disappearedwith the implication that Trump had her killed or vanished.
Johnson said Epstein promised modeling gigs and money to lure girls, then held parties where girls aged 12 and 13 were allegedly raped by powerful men.
Allegations described Trump saying he could make people disappear, like Maria, heightening the sense of a dark, movie-like villain.
The claims included ritualistic threats, repeated rapes, and sinister orchestrations reminiscent of a crime film rather than most verified sex trafficking or assault narratives.
The over-the-top nature of these claimsdetailed in the lawsuit filings and highlighted in the Vox articlefueled journalists and lawyers suspicions that the case was either a hoax or grossly embellished, as these specifics were inconsistent with patterns in real sex abuse investigations.
AAAND here's another part it skimmed over that I remembered from reading it before:
Yes, the Vox article does mention that Al Taylor (a/k/a Norm Lubow) was actively shopping the Katie Johnson story around to media outlets and tabloids, asking for significant sums of money in exchange for exclusive rights.
Specifically, the article says:
Lubow wanted up to $1 million for exclusive rights to the story.
This aggressive pursuit of tabloid payment for an unverified, anonymous story further fueled skepticism from journalists and is included as one of many red flags about the credibility of the allegations.
Specifically, the article says:
Lubow wanted up to $1 million for exclusive rights to the story.
This aggressive pursuit of tabloid payment for an unverified, anonymous story further fueled skepticism from journalists and is included as one of many red flags about the credibility of the allegations.
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Epstein, Trump and "Katie Johnson": Lawsuit alleged that Trump raped 13-year-old girl at Epstein party! [View all]
Jack Valentino
Thursday
OP
Sorry, I disagree. Your posts are trying to redirect this thread into an "anti-AI" thread,
Jack Valentino
Thursday
#11
Oh, for the love of Christ--- what you call 'plagiarism' I consider to be 'documentation' !
Jack Valentino
Thursday
#5
Clearly correct--- but my conversations with A.I. are usually more casual,
Jack Valentino
Friday
#19
Oh, dang there wasn't one when I read it last. I hate doing this but AI has access, so here you go
AZJonnie
Friday
#24
I added some additions after the original posting because I remembered details AI had missed.
AZJonnie
Friday
#25
AAAAAND here is another piece that AI skimmed over that I remembered from before
AZJonnie
Friday
#26
Trump always looked 'kind of rape-y' in photos of him with his own daughter, on his bed---
Jack Valentino
Sunday
#29