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mr715

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123. Remember the wall?

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Thu Nov 13, 2025, 07:58 PM

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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/25/trump-shutdown-announcement-1125529

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People wanting the shutdown to continue into the holidays - who has 40 plus days of funding in reserve to survive on? [View all] bigtree Nov 12 OP

Thune would have jettisoned the filibuster. pat_k Nov 12 #1

40 damn days bigtree Nov 12 #3

I stand by my analysis. pat_k Nov 12 #6

capitulation was just around the corner? bigtree Nov 12 #11

People already ARE at the mercy of the Felon. pat_k Nov 12 #12

the federal workers bigtree Nov 12 #13

You think this is some sort of "politics as usual"? pat_k Nov 12 #16

did you ask those families to sacrifice their livelihoods for your politics? bigtree Nov 12 #19

The Senate Democrats took the ONLY shot they had at preventing the deaths of tens of thousands. pat_k Nov 12 #30

they needed to end their politics over the holidays bigtree Nov 13 #54

repukes need to end their cruelty, PERIOD Skittles Nov 13 #67

You see it as politics. To me, it was a moral imperative. pat_k Nov 13 #73

Absolutely excellent BeerBarrelPolka Nov 13 #75

Are you willing Mossfern Nov 13 #81

Post 73 pat_k Nov 13 #85

That doesn't answer my quesiton to you Mossfern Nov 13 #96

The answer is that moral failure has worse consequences. pat_k Nov 13 #98

Get off the damn high horse FHRRK Nov 13 #51

high horse bigtree Nov 13 #56

You know why you stand by your analysis? FHRRK Nov 12 #45

Great post. Scrivener7 Nov 13 #71

Yep and we're going to do this again in 3 months !!! uponit7771 Nov 13 #91

BUT in 3 months mr715 Nov 13 #104

Nope. SNAP is now funded until Sept 2026 NickB79 Nov 13 #119

Agree 100% mr715 Nov 13 #103

Spot on! (with one quibble) pat_k Nov 13 #110

Its kicking the can down the road in the wrong direction. CentralMass Nov 12 #2

THE HUMANS IN THE FUCKING MIDDLE bigtree Nov 12 #5

The worst is yet to come. The GOP will give up nothing. CentralMass Nov 12 #8

RIGHT!!! No bully says I'll be nicer next time if you give up now uponit7771 Nov 13 #94

With preparation more than 3 months but that didn't happen, Dem leadership did no prep work for uponit7771 Nov 13 #93

What they did mr715 Nov 13 #109

Yep, it'll happen again until democrats prepare the pupulace to hold out for a long time uponit7771 Nov 13 #121

And it'll be worse next time. They'll take away more. Scrivener7 Nov 13 #72

No one here wanted people to suffer! leftstreet Nov 12 #4

so helpless to do a thing for them bigtree Nov 12 #7

WHY the HELL did the shutdown occur? choie Nov 12 #22

We gained over a month of making the public aware that the repubs supported ending the subsidies onenote Nov 13 #57

the fault lies with REPUBLICANS Skittles Nov 12 #24

well they weren't Skittles Nov 12 #9

You're not wrong there n/t leftstreet Nov 12 #10

But they weren't about to cave. Mossfern Nov 13 #115

We'll never know n/t leftstreet Nov 13 #116

What behavior, in consideration Mossfern Nov 13 #117

They didn't wanna kill the filibuster leftstreet Nov 13 #118

HOW did "SNAP beneficiaries got a raise" ??? Jack Valentino Nov 12 #14

the benefit amount was increased in the agreement bigtree Nov 12 #15

YOU need to 'keep up', my friend--- Jack Valentino Nov 12 #18

you're right, it's an increase in the contingency payment bigtree Nov 12 #20

I agree with much of what you said, people can't live without a paycheck forever... Jack Valentino Nov 12 #25

it was cheeky bigtree Nov 12 #39

It's all good.... I'm usually worse myself, but I like you :) Jack Valentino Nov 12 #44

thank you Skittles Nov 12 #26

I do think the state of Michigan under Whitmer acted much more quickly, Jack Valentino Nov 12 #31

oh absolutely Skittles Nov 12 #34

AND utilizes the 'Trump Justice' department to fight against court orders Jack Valentino Nov 12 #36

It didn't increase the funding for SNAP, but it guaranteed it through September 2026 onenote Nov 13 #58

That SNAP benefits will be funded through 9-26 is very good--- Jack Valentino Nov 13 #61

We also have the opportunity to raise the issue before people lose their insurance. onenote Nov 13 #63

Thank you. This is pure propaganda to make us feel like we won something. choie Nov 12 #23

They 'got a raise' back to the normal amount, Jack Valentino Nov 12 #29

when I dove into it I got the actual farce bigtree Nov 12 #41

People who are bellyaching about Democrats "caving" have tunnel vision valleyrogue Nov 12 #17

Then provide one reason why the Democrats pushed for the ACA subsidies when choie Nov 12 #27

It was NOT that 'obvious'---- there are quite a few swing state and swing district Republicans Jack Valentino Nov 12 #33

To a certain extent it was political theater. Or more aptly, political education onenote Nov 13 #60

I think it did a good job showing which party cares about people who need assistance Skittles Nov 13 #64

I've experienced true destitution Samael13 Nov 13 #78

Furthermore it also accomplishes something the republicans cant on their own Samael13 Nov 13 #82

By your logic, there should have been no shutdown at all Sympthsical Nov 12 #21

thank you Skittles Nov 12 #28

ABSOLUTELY. Jack Valentino Nov 12 #38

Thank you. Joinfortmill Nov 12 #32

The historical record is,quite clear.... reACTIONary Nov 12 #35

So do you think we shouldn't have tried? Jack Valentino Nov 12 #42

Whether it was worth it or not... reACTIONary Nov 13 #88

Nancy Pelosi got concessions from Trump iemanja Nov 13 #55

As you note, none of the concessions... reACTIONary Nov 13 #89

Speaker Pelosi would disagree with this assessment nt mr715 Nov 13 #113

With the historical record? Or with the chances this time around? reACTIONary Nov 13 #122

Remember the wall? mr715 Nov 13 #123

Sounds like this was a failed shutdown, not a win.... reACTIONary Nov 13 #124

We don't have to govern. mr715 Nov 12 #37

bumper sticker? bigtree Nov 12 #43

I give no approval to the funding of what Trump is doing. mr715 Nov 13 #50

"What kind of party allows that to go into Thanksgiving and the rest, leaving them under the knife of the republicans" Takket Nov 12 #40

we had the power to remove those workers and their families out of the way of our politics bigtree Nov 13 #47

Ah yes, because we were the ones doing this. mr715 Nov 13 #52

that's specious bigtree Nov 13 #59

Political Crutches mr715 Nov 13 #107

You can't settle the trolley car problem this way. . . Stargleamer Nov 13 #102

And what about the 42 million folks not getting SNAP payments? onenote Nov 13 #62

Don't forget to add in the tens of millions of people on SNAP benefits. W_HAMILTON Nov 13 #66

This needs to be its own OP mcar Nov 13 #80

Thank you for posting this. Phoenix61 Nov 13 #46

+1 Agreed. onenote Nov 13 #48

Give it up. You got your way. iemanja Nov 13 #49

Great post! hamsterjill Nov 13 #83

Thank you. iemanja Nov 13 #87

Yep seems fair angrychair Nov 13 #53

Well... those people were going to get their snap benefits anyway. Scrivener7 Nov 13 #76

Right on. nt mr715 Nov 13 #114

I Believe The Counter-Argument Would Be: Then Why Start?.... ColoringFool Nov 13 #65

did you actually read the message Skittles Nov 13 #70

Thank you, bigtree. summer_in_TX Nov 13 #68

The problem is that the Dem senators did not excerise unity. Intractable Nov 13 #69

Calculating who and when and where. mr715 Nov 13 #105

It wasn't the democrats who shutdown the government. Emile Nov 13 #74

But we're "cruel" nt mr715 Nov 13 #108

Amazing, it's all our fault now. Emile Nov 13 #111

"Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!!" nt mr715 Nov 13 #112

I'm dubious that any of that will happen Samael13 Nov 13 #77

There will be MORE PAIN from lack of healthcare.... BUT..... Martin Eden Nov 13 #79

I agree with your analysis, but I wonder why.... reACTIONary Nov 13 #92

You are correct. Ending the premium tax credits won't end the ACA Martin Eden Nov 13 #99

That is true, it is one step.... reACTIONary Nov 13 #100

So just give them what they want all the time then. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 13 #84

MAGA voters have not felt enough pain yet. nt Hotler Nov 13 #86

I blame this solely on the GOP Torchlight Nov 13 #90

Join the Mass Blackout! BlueWavePsych Nov 13 #95

No one wanted the shutdown to continue into the holidays. Ms. Toad Nov 13 #97

I literally read a poster with 50,000+ posts say it should have gone a YEAR NickB79 Nov 13 #120

Thank you. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 13 #101

Thank you. I believe that the point was made, and there was no point to additional suffereing. NNadir Nov 13 #106