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In reply to the discussion: None of us wanted people to go hungry or without pay. [View all]SocialDemocrat61
(6,474 posts)47. The people I'm talking about are Green voters
who voted for Jill Stein in 16 and 24. They are mainly affluent white people whos privileged protects them. They just want to spread misinformation to demonize democrats.
You should read this for some perspective
I'm seeing some misinformation and confusion about the expiring ACA credits. These are not the premium tax credits (PTC) that were put in place when the ACA was passed back in 2010 and enacted in 2014. These were *enhanced* premium tax credits, that were a gift from Joe Biden under the American Rescue Plan Act in 2021, later extended through the Inflation Reduction Act until the end of 2025. These credits temporarily expanded eligibility and increased the amount of financial assistance for health insurance premiums. They were mostly to benefit red states whose Governors had not opted fully into the ACA.
Now those are going away, just as they had been scheduled to.
In 2017, the GOP passed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), which benefitted high-income earners by giving them lower tax rates and increased deductions. These were set to expire in late 2025, but since the GOP got a trifecta in the last election, they gleefully extended them in the One Big Beautiful Bill Act of 2025. To nobody's surprise, the issue of also extending Joe Biden's ACA expansion was never even discussed by the ruling party.
When the Democrats decided to participate in the shutdown, they needed a wedge issue to justify all the pain that would be inflicted on Government workers, etc. They very wisely went back to Joe Biden's ACA *enhanced* premium tax credits, and proposed extending them, while pointing out that the GOP extended their financial assistance to the wealthy. Democrats did this from a position of no power and no leverage.
Now the game of chicken is coming to an end, and some Democrats in the Senate are going to vote to end the shutdown. I am seeing a LOT of people pouting and shouting "they caved! they always cave!" This is frankly ridiculous.
The idea that the GOP would extend Joe Biden's ACA expansion was never going to happen and everyone knew it. I knew it, they knew it. If you are squealing and pouting now, I guess you are the only one who didn't know it. This was a performance by Democrats because their constituents said loud and clear they wanted them to fight.
The point was to make the GOP go on RECORD and be very VISIBLY responsible for the pain in people's pocketbook when the credits expire on December 31, 2025. To that end, their plan worked masterfully. People's healthcare will get more expensive in fewer than 2 months, and they will know who to blame [the GOP! Blame the people in power!]. The Dems were also able to negotiate a floor vote on the ACA expansion extension - which will put the GOP on record as voting against healthcare for many of their constituents.
So, I am going to need you Debbie Downers to put your big girl panties on and take a look at the facts. The Dems did not cave. They did exactly what they set out to do, given the limited options they had. Stop expecting your party to perform miracles, and then acting like a whiny little baby when they can't. Elections have consequences. [ETA: sorry so harsh but I am leaving it]
PS: The top nine states who will be hurt the most when the Biden credits expire, all voted GOP in 2024. Biden gave them insurance, Dump is taking it away, even though they voted for him. THAT is the message
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Cw3RKf2Ur/
Now those are going away, just as they had been scheduled to.
In 2017, the GOP passed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), which benefitted high-income earners by giving them lower tax rates and increased deductions. These were set to expire in late 2025, but since the GOP got a trifecta in the last election, they gleefully extended them in the One Big Beautiful Bill Act of 2025. To nobody's surprise, the issue of also extending Joe Biden's ACA expansion was never even discussed by the ruling party.
When the Democrats decided to participate in the shutdown, they needed a wedge issue to justify all the pain that would be inflicted on Government workers, etc. They very wisely went back to Joe Biden's ACA *enhanced* premium tax credits, and proposed extending them, while pointing out that the GOP extended their financial assistance to the wealthy. Democrats did this from a position of no power and no leverage.
Now the game of chicken is coming to an end, and some Democrats in the Senate are going to vote to end the shutdown. I am seeing a LOT of people pouting and shouting "they caved! they always cave!" This is frankly ridiculous.
The idea that the GOP would extend Joe Biden's ACA expansion was never going to happen and everyone knew it. I knew it, they knew it. If you are squealing and pouting now, I guess you are the only one who didn't know it. This was a performance by Democrats because their constituents said loud and clear they wanted them to fight.
The point was to make the GOP go on RECORD and be very VISIBLY responsible for the pain in people's pocketbook when the credits expire on December 31, 2025. To that end, their plan worked masterfully. People's healthcare will get more expensive in fewer than 2 months, and they will know who to blame [the GOP! Blame the people in power!]. The Dems were also able to negotiate a floor vote on the ACA expansion extension - which will put the GOP on record as voting against healthcare for many of their constituents.
So, I am going to need you Debbie Downers to put your big girl panties on and take a look at the facts. The Dems did not cave. They did exactly what they set out to do, given the limited options they had. Stop expecting your party to perform miracles, and then acting like a whiny little baby when they can't. Elections have consequences. [ETA: sorry so harsh but I am leaving it]
PS: The top nine states who will be hurt the most when the Biden credits expire, all voted GOP in 2024. Biden gave them insurance, Dump is taking it away, even though they voted for him. THAT is the message
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Cw3RKf2Ur/
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My thought is that dissing Demos just might not be Demos but masquerading as such
Stargazer99
Thursday
#4
A few weeks ago I started following online discussion groups where federal employees gather...
OneGrassRoot
Thursday
#2
The eight, including Schumer, also cared that people not suffer hunger, and so they made the 271
ancianita
Thursday
#15
Yes and no...now that it is clear that the compromise was a dismal failure...there
Demsrule86
Monday
#61
Nope. The on-track Dems made the 271 blink. They knew that it would ease hunger & suffering, but
ancianita
Thursday
#16
It's called General Discussion. Long winded? Or short attention span? I take Dems seriously.
ancianita
Thursday
#28
Of course Trump is a liar. But congress people see all the polls and attitudes are shifting
ancianita
Thursday
#44
I don't think anyone wanted those things to happen. But we can't pretend it wasn't a consequence of a continued shutdown
tritsofme
Thursday
#17
The "all is well despite the way it looks!" cheerleading and long screeds are increasingly ludicrous.
Scrivener7
Thursday
#20
the pro cave-in scolding/gaslighting is the new pro Garland scolding/gaslighting
Celerity
Thursday
#45
It's really just the reverse of people falsely claiming "Democrats voted to take away healthcare".
QueerDuck
Thursday
#36
Honestly, I've not seen any posts saying that Democrats voted to take away healthcare.
hamsterjill
Thursday
#50
And none of us wants anyone to go without health insurance, or have their premiums skyrocket, or go without insurance.
Sogo
Thursday
#41
There is no current funding...everyone millions and millions of snap users must reapply.
Demsrule86
Monday
#60
The only way it would have worked was to nail the GOP and make impossible for them
Demsrule86
Monday
#59