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SocialDemocrat61

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47. The people I'm talking about are Green voters
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 06:10 PM
Thursday

who voted for Jill Stein in 16 and 24. They are mainly affluent white people who’s privileged protects them. They just want to spread misinformation to demonize democrats.
You should read this for some perspective

I'm seeing some misinformation and confusion about the expiring ACA credits. These are not the premium tax credits (PTC) that were put in place when the ACA was passed back in 2010 and enacted in 2014. These were *enhanced* premium tax credits, that were a gift from Joe Biden under the American Rescue Plan Act in 2021, later extended through the Inflation Reduction Act until the end of 2025. These credits temporarily expanded eligibility and increased the amount of financial assistance for health insurance premiums. They were mostly to benefit red states whose Governors had not opted fully into the ACA.
Now those are going away, just as they had been scheduled to.
In 2017, the GOP passed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), which benefitted high-income earners by giving them lower tax rates and increased deductions. These were set to expire in late 2025, but since the GOP got a trifecta in the last election, they gleefully extended them in the One Big Beautiful Bill Act of 2025. To nobody's surprise, the issue of also extending Joe Biden's ACA expansion was never even discussed by the ruling party.
When the Democrats decided to participate in the shutdown, they needed a wedge issue to justify all the pain that would be inflicted on Government workers, etc. They very wisely went back to Joe Biden's ACA *enhanced* premium tax credits, and proposed extending them, while pointing out that the GOP extended their financial assistance to the wealthy. Democrats did this from a position of no power and no leverage.
Now the game of chicken is coming to an end, and some Democrats in the Senate are going to vote to end the shutdown. I am seeing a LOT of people pouting and shouting "they caved! they always cave!" This is frankly ridiculous.
The idea that the GOP would extend Joe Biden's ACA expansion was never going to happen and everyone knew it. I knew it, they knew it. If you are squealing and pouting now, I guess you are the only one who didn't know it. This was a performance by Democrats because their constituents said loud and clear they wanted them to fight.
The point was to make the GOP go on RECORD and be very VISIBLY responsible for the pain in people's pocketbook when the credits expire on December 31, 2025. To that end, their plan worked masterfully. People's healthcare will get more expensive in fewer than 2 months, and they will know who to blame [the GOP! Blame the people in power!]. The Dems were also able to negotiate a floor vote on the ACA expansion extension - which will put the GOP on record as voting against healthcare for many of their constituents.
So, I am going to need you Debbie Downers to put your big girl panties on and take a look at the facts. The Dems did not cave. They did exactly what they set out to do, given the limited options they had. Stop expecting your party to perform miracles, and then acting like a whiny little baby when they can't. Elections have consequences. [ETA: sorry so harsh but I am leaving it]
PS: The top nine states who will be hurt the most when the Biden credits expire, all voted GOP in 2024. Biden gave them insurance, Dump is taking it away, even though they voted for him. THAT is the message
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I'm with you. There's no need to smear fellow Democrats. Walleye Thursday #1
My thought is that dissing Demos just might not be Demos but masquerading as such Stargazer99 Thursday #4
Whether masquerading or not, such argumentation is, imo B.See Thursday #48
A few weeks ago I started following online discussion groups where federal employees gather... OneGrassRoot Thursday #2
I agree. I know three people affected. hamsterjill Thursday #7
Ok we bitched a lot snowybirdie Thursday #3
Getting the ACA tax credit extended is critical. CentralMass Thursday #27
And how the fuck do we do that now? The eight and Schumer are completely Demsrule86 Monday #62
I'm with you, gab13by13 Thursday #5
DURec leftstreet Thursday #6
I don't think anyone on the left wanted anyone SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #8
But they will still suffer consequences. Demsrule86 Thursday #30
Affluent white people never suffer SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #34
It will not be fine. And the recipients are not Demsrule86 Thursday #46
The people I'm talking about are Green voters SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #47
This is the issue. Those on the far left care as Demsrule86 Thursday #35
They need to stop insulting us SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #37
I don't know whether or not it was best to continue the shutdown ... Intractable Thursday #9
I agree wholeheartedly luv2fly Thursday #10
Did you give the same admonishment in reverse? EdmondDantes_ Thursday #11
If *I* did that, hamsterjill Thursday #12
The eight, including Schumer, also cared that people not suffer hunger, and so they made the 271 ancianita Thursday #15
Trump has reneged on most of that. No doubt Demsrule86 Thursday #33
I never said any Democrat was okay with people going hungry EdmondDantes_ Thursday #22
No I understand being conflicted but what was Demsrule86 Thursday #32
Your post 38 proves my point EdmondDantes_ Thursday #43
Yes and no...now that it is clear that the compromise was a dismal failure...there Demsrule86 Monday #61
All I will say is this... S/V Loner Thursday #13
So that is more important than the ACA. Demsrule86 Thursday #38
Of course the ACA is important but... S/V Loner Thursday #40
The Dems were on track: short-term pain for long-term gain. cer7711 Thursday #14
Nope. The on-track Dems made the 271 blink. They knew that it would ease hunger & suffering, but ancianita Thursday #16
May I be very frank with you? hamsterjill Thursday #25
It's called General Discussion. Long winded? Or short attention span? I take Dems seriously. ancianita Thursday #28
It won't ease suffering. Trump is a liar. Demsrule86 Thursday #39
Of course Trump is a liar. But congress people see all the polls and attitudes are shifting ancianita Thursday #44
I don't think anyone wanted those things to happen. But we can't pretend it wasn't a consequence of a continued shutdown tritsofme Thursday #17
Exactly angrychair Thursday #18
I was apoplectic when the Democratics caved crimycarny Thursday #19
The "all is well despite the way it looks!" cheerleading and long screeds are increasingly ludicrous. Scrivener7 Thursday #20
Scrivener, are you sure we aren't related? hamsterjill Thursday #23
We are! Scrivener7 Thursday #24
And yes, yes, yes!!!! As to the long screeds. hamsterjill Thursday #26
the pro cave-in scolding/gaslighting is the new pro Garland scolding/gaslighting Celerity Thursday #45
I bowed out of those discussions after a few days Torchlight Thursday #21
I need SNAP and still have no benefits as of now, but.. mvd Thursday #29
Thank you for your insight. hamsterjill Thursday #31
This message was self-deleted by its author mvd Friday #56
It's really just the reverse of people falsely claiming "Democrats voted to take away healthcare". QueerDuck Thursday #36
But you see 8 democrats plus Schumer did Demsrule86 Thursday #42
... or something. 🤣😂 QueerDuck Thursday #49
Love your name...rec'd you and the post too! Demsrule86 Monday #58
Honestly, I've not seen any posts saying that Democrats voted to take away healthcare. hamsterjill Thursday #50
And none of us wants anyone to go without health insurance, or have their premiums skyrocket, or go without insurance. Sogo Thursday #41
No, we don't have to not lose faith. hamsterjill Thursday #51
The Democrats did achieve some concessions LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #52
Rah rah. Scrivener7 Thursday #53
The next shutdown is coming LetMyPeopleVote Friday #57
There is no current funding...everyone millions and millions of snap users must reapply. Demsrule86 Monday #60
If someone's post is that offensive to you. MorbidButterflyTat Friday #54
I'm flattered. hamsterjill Friday #55
The only way it would have worked was to nail the GOP and make impossible for them Demsrule86 Monday #59
With regard to the OP, my initial response B.See Monday #63
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