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ancianita

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28. It's called General Discussion. Long winded? Or short attention span? I take Dems seriously.
Thu Nov 13, 2025, 02:52 PM
Thursday

Be as frank as you want, it's a free country. Speak your mind, I'll speak mine. If you don't wanna "digest" it, take it on face value, and walk away, no harm, no foul, since there's no offense intended.

Of course we're different from Republicans, and this strategic means of ending the shutdown showed that. Why would you belabor the obvious? Dems already know that the entire Democratic Party is never good with other people's suffering and Republicans couldn't care less. If that position somehow leads to blaming the five who changed positions in order to alleviate suffering, then compromising total unity was worth it. Seriously, which is more important..

I live (in exile) in Florida, whose governor is tight with your state's governor, so we live in somewhat flammable political environments. Yep, I agree they'd let the country go up in flames.
Example: Here, Florida lit the match and cheated first in 2000 and SCOTUS allowed it. FL's been a vote count cheating state ever since.

So while our states' parties might demand Democratic unity, our state standard shouldn't be the standard for the rest of states, because senators live in very different states with very different kinds and scales of suffering. We should take that into account.

And then to say Dems started this shutdown makes no sense from the get-go, when Repubs are the majority party who literally wrote in the hunger games for Americans that almost all Democrats refused to vote for.
What the five Dems' compromise vote did was strategic, because they won much for Americans in spite of Dems being in minority status. The five even took the hit so party unity would still exist "in principle" by their principled compromise stance that forced the maga trumpcult party to give up on their evil hunger games.

Ya know, I'll be frank, too. Too much of what passes for discussion in GD is a kind of mutual validation of OP positions, some thought/feeling one-liner that doesn't enlighten fellow Democrats as much as just make them feel collectively right; in other words, high feels, no information. That right there I don't take seriously, unless it's an attack on Dems or their allies.

This country's in a terrible place, and imo, Dems need to stop indulging in finger pointing/circular firing squad ego impulses, like
-- scapegoating some one person for the party's loss; or
-- rethugs cheated even though we can't get the evidence; or
-- habitually letting a first wave of corporate headlines cause knee-jerk distrust of our party leaders.
That and a bus token gets them across town. It does the party no good, only the poster's ego.

Argue? Having opposing positions isn't about arguing. Constructive arguing isn't about fault finding or feelings, but pointing out logic error and/or finding mutual ground for solving real problems, not personal ones, or off-the-top feelings problems, or corporate defined problems.
No worries. I'm not offended. We're good, hamsterjill. (love your cute name, since my kids had hamsters)

Okay, my longwinded response is over. Have a good rest of your day.

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I'm with you. There's no need to smear fellow Democrats. Walleye Thursday #1
My thought is that dissing Demos just might not be Demos but masquerading as such Stargazer99 Thursday #4
Whether masquerading or not, such argumentation is, imo B.See Thursday #48
A few weeks ago I started following online discussion groups where federal employees gather... OneGrassRoot Thursday #2
I agree. I know three people affected. hamsterjill Thursday #7
Ok we bitched a lot snowybirdie Thursday #3
Getting the ACA tax credit extended is critical. CentralMass Thursday #27
And how the fuck do we do that now? The eight and Schumer are completely Demsrule86 Monday #62
I'm with you, gab13by13 Thursday #5
DURec leftstreet Thursday #6
I don't think anyone on the left wanted anyone SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #8
But they will still suffer consequences. Demsrule86 Thursday #30
Affluent white people never suffer SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #34
It will not be fine. And the recipients are not Demsrule86 Thursday #46
The people I'm talking about are Green voters SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #47
This is the issue. Those on the far left care as Demsrule86 Thursday #35
They need to stop insulting us SocialDemocrat61 Thursday #37
I don't know whether or not it was best to continue the shutdown ... Intractable Thursday #9
I agree wholeheartedly luv2fly Thursday #10
Did you give the same admonishment in reverse? EdmondDantes_ Thursday #11
If *I* did that, hamsterjill Thursday #12
The eight, including Schumer, also cared that people not suffer hunger, and so they made the 271 ancianita Thursday #15
Trump has reneged on most of that. No doubt Demsrule86 Thursday #33
I never said any Democrat was okay with people going hungry EdmondDantes_ Thursday #22
No I understand being conflicted but what was Demsrule86 Thursday #32
Your post 38 proves my point EdmondDantes_ Thursday #43
Yes and no...now that it is clear that the compromise was a dismal failure...there Demsrule86 Monday #61
All I will say is this... S/V Loner Thursday #13
So that is more important than the ACA. Demsrule86 Thursday #38
Of course the ACA is important but... S/V Loner Thursday #40
The Dems were on track: short-term pain for long-term gain. cer7711 Thursday #14
Nope. The on-track Dems made the 271 blink. They knew that it would ease hunger & suffering, but ancianita Thursday #16
May I be very frank with you? hamsterjill Thursday #25
It's called General Discussion. Long winded? Or short attention span? I take Dems seriously. ancianita Thursday #28
It won't ease suffering. Trump is a liar. Demsrule86 Thursday #39
Of course Trump is a liar. But congress people see all the polls and attitudes are shifting ancianita Thursday #44
I don't think anyone wanted those things to happen. But we can't pretend it wasn't a consequence of a continued shutdown tritsofme Thursday #17
Exactly angrychair Thursday #18
I was apoplectic when the Democratics caved crimycarny Thursday #19
The "all is well despite the way it looks!" cheerleading and long screeds are increasingly ludicrous. Scrivener7 Thursday #20
Scrivener, are you sure we aren't related? hamsterjill Thursday #23
We are! Scrivener7 Thursday #24
And yes, yes, yes!!!! As to the long screeds. hamsterjill Thursday #26
the pro cave-in scolding/gaslighting is the new pro Garland scolding/gaslighting Celerity Thursday #45
I bowed out of those discussions after a few days Torchlight Thursday #21
I need SNAP and still have no benefits as of now, but.. mvd Thursday #29
Thank you for your insight. hamsterjill Thursday #31
This message was self-deleted by its author mvd Friday #56
It's really just the reverse of people falsely claiming "Democrats voted to take away healthcare". QueerDuck Thursday #36
But you see 8 democrats plus Schumer did Demsrule86 Thursday #42
... or something. 🤣😂 QueerDuck Thursday #49
Love your name...rec'd you and the post too! Demsrule86 Monday #58
Honestly, I've not seen any posts saying that Democrats voted to take away healthcare. hamsterjill Thursday #50
And none of us wants anyone to go without health insurance, or have their premiums skyrocket, or go without insurance. Sogo Thursday #41
No, we don't have to not lose faith. hamsterjill Thursday #51
The Democrats did achieve some concessions LetMyPeopleVote Thursday #52
Rah rah. Scrivener7 Thursday #53
The next shutdown is coming LetMyPeopleVote Friday #57
There is no current funding...everyone millions and millions of snap users must reapply. Demsrule86 Monday #60
If someone's post is that offensive to you. MorbidButterflyTat Friday #54
I'm flattered. hamsterjill Friday #55
The only way it would have worked was to nail the GOP and make impossible for them Demsrule86 Monday #59
With regard to the OP, my initial response B.See Monday #63
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