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Wiz Imp

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26. I don't believe what the Mainstream Media says

Thu Jul 17, 2025, 11:27 AM

Jul 17

I believe in reality. I've always been open to the idea that something wasn't kosher with the election. But I won't automatically believe ridiculous conspiracy theories and supposedly detailed analyses which provide zero hard evidence. Gut feelings are not evidence. Just because you find something hard to believe, doesn't mean it isn't true. You should be demanding hard evidence, not latching on to conspiracy theories. And to be clear, nobody has produced any hard evidence so far. This Rockland County lawsuit is a complete joke. Beware that many people pushing this garbage are grifters.

I'm also baffled why you chose to respond to a post of mine which contained no opinions, just 100% certifiable fact.

From the substack I linked to:

I stand firmly behind organizations with a proven track record of advancing fair, accessible elections — groups like the NAACP, the Brennan Center for Justice, the ACLU, and the Campaign Legal Center. These groups understand the real threats: voter suppression, dark money, and policies designed to silence marginalized communities — and they have the legal victories to show for it.

And I would add Marc Elias who has done more to protect election integrity than probably anyone else on the planet. If there was any real evidence of anything nefarious having happened, Marc Elias would be all over it.

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She Won, Part V: Why The Missing Votes In Rockland County Matter [View all] Botany Jul 17 OP

These are the vaunted Republicon Family Values BoRaGard Jul 17 #1

Doge cuts to USAid blamed for 300,000 deaths -- most of them children Botany Jul 17 #4

K&R 2naSalit Jul 17 #2

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 17 #3

Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay. Do you like pizza? ms liberty Jul 17 #6

To whomever: this is an active legitimate lawsuit now in its early stages. ms liberty Jul 17 #5

If I remember it right the precinct in Rockland County, NY had something like 350 registered voters and Botany Jul 17 #8

I'm not remembering the number of voters but Harris got ZERO votes in the county ms liberty Jul 17 #9

Completely False Wiz Imp Jul 17 #10

You are our resident "republicans won fair and square" poster, Wiz Imp. BComplex Jul 17 #22

I don't believe what the Mainstream Media says Wiz Imp Jul 17 #26

And all of the facts... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 17 #41

It's called being part of the reality based community. tritsofme Jul 17 #38

Whichever it was, the ZERO VOTES IS HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS. That's why the suit is proceeding. ms liberty Jul 17 #32

Not remotely suspicious. Wiz Imp Jul 17 #37

I've been doubting malaise since that malaise Jul 17 #7

No matter how many times this nonsense is repeated, it doesn't change the fact that it is nonsense. Wiz Imp Jul 17 #11

Are you myranda? Why are you acting like this opinion piece is factual? questionseverything Jul 18 #74

The statements of fact are just that statements of fact and can easily be confirmed. Wiz Imp Jul 18 #85

Actually if I had to bet, I would bet that even if some how questionseverything Jul 18 #101

Zero votes in a precinct for one candidate happens many hundred times every election. Wiz Imp Jul 17 #12

So you are quoting an opinion piece from 2016 as though it is fact questionseverything Jul 18 #75

Wow! The data quoted in the article ARE facts and can be 100% confirmed Wiz Imp Jul 18 #84

Elias is a lawyer not a computer scientist questionseverything Jul 18 #102

Rockland County, Ramapo District 35 Wiz Imp Jul 17 #13

шторм 15-16? Botany Jul 17 #15

Wow! The lack of self awareness is mind boggling. 🙄😖😱🤯🤐 Wiz Imp Jul 17 #16

We're almost to the point that these folks resemble "Flat Earth" comment sections. tritsofme Jul 17 #40

Such a witty retort EdmondDantes_ Jul 17 #17

With the information available on the internet these days, it wouldn't take more than 1-2 hours to find it . . . Ms. Toad Jul 17 #19

I sure as hell have facts ready to go because so many people here keep posting nonsense repeatedly. Wiz Imp Jul 17 #28

Post removed Post removed Jul 17 #33

That's really shitty. Scrivener7 Jul 17 #35

KNR and bookmarking. niyad Jul 17 #14

Remember when Tina Peters of Colorado gave the software to an outside firm and was convicted? kentuck Jul 17 #18

Some of that "getting into the voting systems" stuff is covered in this article. Botany Jul 17 #20

It has been explained in several past threads that the district in question is one in a Hasidic Jewish area karynnj Jul 17 #25

Why should citizens accept an "explanation " instead of simply looking at the ballots? questionseverything Jul 17 #44

I was responding to many posts saying this was impossible or at karynnj Jul 17 #46

That's kind of my point, they won't let them look without first proving inaccurate results questionseverything Jul 17 #51

Because it costs the counties time and money to do hand recounts MichMan Jul 17 #62

Who would of thought that a democracy built on voting for our leaders would require counting of said votes? questionseverything Jul 18 #76

The votes were counted ; you just don't believe the results. MichMan Saturday #111

If there are multiple races on the ballot and tons of voters hand counting can get messy questionseverything Sunday #114

I thought you were demanding hand counts across the board, which does involve multiple races and tons of voters MichMan Sunday #116

I was just using my precinct as an example questionseverything Sunday #117

One thing I know about counting computers questionseverything Sunday #118

That was why I suggested using an Abacus MichMan Sunday #119

Perhaps where you live... SickOfTheOnePct Sunday #120

It was a guy from Mike Lindell. Blue Full Moon Jul 18 #71

I Agree Mr.Bee Jul 17 #21

To believe the 2024 election results you have to believe that millions of Americans showed up and voted .... Botany Jul 17 #23

Do you have that stat handy: total votes in all Senate races vs. totals of all Cong. races vs. total for Presidential? TheRickles Jul 17 #27

That claim is 100% false Wiz Imp Jul 17 #30

Do you remember... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 17 #31

Yep. Facts don't matter to them Wiz Imp Jul 17 #36

Just what the doctor ordered. Thank you! TheRickles Jul 17 #39

Read the articles on this will hold Botany Jul 17 #34

In 4 swing states there were more senate votes than presidential votes questionseverything Jul 17 #45

Which states? I just scanned the results and did not see a single one tritsofme Jul 17 #47

Which states are you claiming this happened in? EdmondDantes_ Jul 17 #49

Break it down by party and please post your links questionseverything Jul 17 #53

So now CNN... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 17 #54

Georgia SickOfTheOnePct Jul 17 #55

Why does it matter what the party breakdown is? At issue is your false claim there were more votes cast in tritsofme Jul 17 #56

Arizona SickOfTheOnePct Jul 17 #57

Mark * questionseverything Jul 18 #70

Uh....what are you pretending this means? More votes cast in the presidential race here! tritsofme Jul 18 #72

I was wondering the same thing n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 18 #73

Looks like some Republicans and Independents voted for Gallego & against Kari Lake MichMan Saturday #112

Michigan SickOfTheOnePct Jul 17 #59

Why would I break it down by party? That's not relevant EdmondDantes_ Jul 17 #61

I did make an incomplete statement, I assumed more people had read the article and would understand the intent questionseverything Jul 18 #77

In a general election, there is no such thing as a "democratic vote" Ms. Toad Jul 18 #79

4 times out of 50 is unusual but I am certainly not saying it's impossible questionseverything Jul 18 #81

It's not 4 times out of 50... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 18 #91

Do you have a link or even a list? questionseverything Jul 18 #92

I'm not doing the research for you SickOfTheOnePct Jul 18 #93

So that's a no on links and lists questionseverything Jul 18 #95

Correct n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 18 #96

I'm old, you might as well be explaining to me how to fly questionseverything Jul 18 #108

I didn't ridicule you SickOfTheOnePct Jul 18 #110

I feel like you did, I am old, I didn't grow up on computers and don't really know how to do things that might seem questionseverything Sunday #113

How you feel is on you, not me n/t SickOfTheOnePct Sunday #115

No it isn't. EdmondDantes_ Jul 18 #80

You posted an opinion piece, the " facts " the opinion piece refers to aren't documented anywhere in the article questionseverything Jul 18 #82

Just because something disproves your conspiracy theory that doesn't make it an opinion EdmondDantes_ Jul 18 #94

It's like trying to speak rationally with a Flat Earther or 9/11 Truther tritsofme Jul 18 #97

And when told... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 18 #100

Please refer to post #108 questionseverything Jul 18 #109

No, it's not SickOfTheOnePct Jul 18 #90

Wisconsin SickOfTheOnePct Jul 17 #63

Mark * questionseverything Jul 18 #69

Pennsylvania SickOfTheOnePct Jul 17 #64

Nevada SickOfTheOnePct Jul 17 #65

North Carolina SickOfTheOnePct Jul 17 #67

NO. To believe the 2024 election results you have to believe in REALITY. Wiz Imp Jul 17 #29

First of all it's foolish to say, " find evidence and proof before you get to examine the ballots" questionseverything Jul 17 #48

More nonsense that has already been debunked several times by many people here so I won't waste any more time on that Wiz Imp Jul 17 #50

Are you myranda? Why are you claiming this person's words are valid? questionseverything Jul 18 #83

I am not Myranda Wiz Imp Jul 18 #88

Which four states? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jul 17 #52

Split ticket voting is apparently evidence of fraud. lol tritsofme Jul 17 #58

Don't hold your breath waiting for a reply... Wiz Imp Jul 18 #86

Poster replied elsewhere... SickOfTheOnePct Jul 18 #87

Not at all unusual Wiz Imp Jul 18 #89

Tonight's Double Feature Mr.Bee Jul 17 #24

I Only Believe Greg Palast Mr.Bee Jul 17 #68

The fallacy in most of these conspiracy theories is that they assume everyone votes straight party in every race. MichMan Jul 17 #42

K&R Andy823 Jul 17 #43

Kick SheltieLover Jul 17 #60

bait and switch? cadoman Jul 17 #66

My guess is it never sees a courtroom because they have no evidence Wiz Imp Jul 18 #104

Additional reading TheProle Jul 18 #78

To be clear, it's not just the zero votes for Harris questionseverything Jul 18 #99

I understand TheProle Jul 18 #105

James dupree is a conservative, so they wouldn't be my first choice to explain Democratic loses questionseverything Jul 18 #107

I seriously felt on election night the same way that I did on 9/11. Initech Jul 18 #98

And because you felt that way, that means it has to be true? Wiz Imp Jul 18 #103

Yes, and that assault B.See Jul 18 #106