they (and Satan) are so proud of.

These are Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin type of #s and it is all good with Musk because he is an
Afrikaner from S. Africa who sees black people in Africa as the enemy.

**********

The mathematician and professor of infectious diseases at Boston University had created a model to predict the human cost of the Department of Government Efficiency’s (Doge) USAid funding cuts.

Snip

What Nichols had not appreciated was what was killing people, and just how quickly it appeared to be killing them. A death was estimated to be happening somewhere in the world every three minutes. “It was just shocking,” she said.

As Elon Musk, the head of Doge, arrived at the White House on Friday afternoon to be congratulated by President Trump for his work slashing the federal budget, the number of deaths on Nichols’s tracker hit 300,000, more than 200,000 of them children.

https://www.thetimes.com/us/american-politics/article/usaid-doge-deaths-children-cuts-7nb83dfkp

Not kooky, not extremist at all.

… it produced zero votes for V.P. Harris but in 2022 it voted for a liberal woman as
Governor (Hochul ?) @ > 80%.

When other dems on the ticket won or performed as expected. Zero votes is suspicious as all hell.
Of course, I'm in NC where we won all the top state races except Harris. Which to me and mine is also suspicious as all hell.

It was a single precinct or voting district in the county. Please stop repeating misinformation.

I don't understand how you can possibly believe what the mainstream media (ALL republican owned media) has told you. But there are many of us who know in our hearts that trump/republicans did not/no way win more legitimate votes in 2024 than Harris/democrats did. The entire world was in shock. Some of us still are.

Shock in an election that is legitimate quickly subsides. Not this.

I believe in reality. I've always been open to the idea that something wasn't kosher with the election. But I won't automatically believe ridiculous conspiracy theories and supposedly detailed analyses which provide zero hard evidence. Gut feelings are not evidence. Just because you find something hard to believe, doesn't mean it isn't true. You should be demanding hard evidence, not latching on to conspiracy theories. And to be clear, nobody has produced any hard evidence so far. This Rockland County lawsuit is a complete joke. Beware that many people pushing this garbage are grifters.

I'm also baffled why you chose to respond to a post of mine which contained no opinions, just 100% certifiable fact.

From the substack I linked to:

...related to vote counts, etc., can be obtained without looking at media, mainstream or otherwise, at all. Every state has an elections website that provides the actual numbers.

And not deluding ourselves with comfortable fantasies.

The same precinct produced 0 votes for Biden in 2020. See post #13

Every election, there are literally hundreds of precincts around the country where one of the candidates receives 0 votes. In Cuyahoga County in Ohio, home to Cleveland in 2012, Obama ran up a 6,354-0 margin in 19 precincts where Romney did not win even one vote. see post #12

November day. Nothing has changed, truth will out.

The Truth about Rockland County is absolutely nothing unusual happened there. The people filing the suit are grifters. You want accurate information, try this:

https://substack.com/home/post/p-167466926

A few excerpts:

I guarantee you will be disappointed when the Rockland County lawsuit finds absolutely nothing illegal or nefarious happened in the election. I'm sure you'll be happy to come back and admit you were wrong when that happens, right? I'm not holding my breath.

The paper ballots are examined and different votes are found they(tptb) will say, “ it doesn’t matter since it doesn’t change the outcome “

Ty for all the kicks!!!

0 votes for a candidate in a single precinct is nowhere near "statistically impossible" It happens many times in every election across probably all states. It happened in Philadelphia in 2012 with Romney getting 0 votes in DOZENS of precincts. I guess that's proof that Obama cheated.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/jamie-dupree/zero-votes-precinct-for-presidential-candidate-happens-and-experts-say-not-voter-fraud/UBtQcSBfew00GpmtrhvzwN/

Zero votes in a precinct for a presidential candidate: It happens, and experts say it's not voter fraud

And evidently you feel it can predict the future?

The article contained data showing then hundreds of precincts had 0 votes for one candidate or the other in 2008 and 2012. If you don't understand that this effectively proves that this phenomenon happens hundreds of times every election, then it must mean you think the 2008 and 2012 elections were both rigged for Obama.

Marc Elias has done more for the cause of election integrity than anybody on the planet and he has clearly stated that the "election was stolen" claims are conspiracy theory nonsense. I guess he's in on the conspiracy? Or is he just too stupid to see the truth? When people insist that they understand better than the foremost election integrity expert on the planet, I feel like I've slipped into an alternate dimension where everyone has gone insane.

Same district 2020:

Presidential Electors for President and Vice President
(VOTE FOR) 1
Joseph R. Biden (DEM) . . . . . . . 0
Donald J. Trump (REP) . . . . . . . 138 26.14%
Donald J. Trump (CON) . . . . . . . 390 73.86%
Joseph R. Biden (WOR) . . . . . . . 0
Howie Hawkins (GRE) . . . . . . . . 0
Jo Jorgensen (LIB) . . . . . . . . 0
Brock Pierce (IND) . . . . . . . . 0
WRITE-IN. . . . . . . . . . . . 0
Total . . . . . . . . . . 528
Over Votes . . . . . . . . . . 1
Under Votes . . . . . . . . . . 2

What's that? Biden also received 0 votes in the District in 2020 as well.

As the Rockland County Board of Elections says:

I need to shut up now so I don't get banned.

To be fair, their conspiracy theory is no more grounded in reality.

But I guess that's easier than refuting that which disproves the conspiracy theory.

And Rockland has been mentioned as "proof" of election rigging since at least May 29. That leaves 48 days and 22 hours to sit around twiddling their thumbs.

Saying something isn't a conspiracy theory doesn't make it not one, and the fact that a lawsuit has been filed means virtually nothing. When I worked at the Court of Appeals, we fairly regularly had to deal with conspiracy theories that made their way into the court. When they inevitably lost at the trial court, the conspiracy nuts appealed them (as is their right).

So how about responding to the factual information in the posts.

I will keep responding to nonsense with FACTS. If I have to keep posting the same FACTS 100 times I will do that. Maybe at some point, the truth will finally break through to some.

It has been reported that they used that same software (or hardware) to get into machines in Rockland County and also in PA?

I recall that FOX News was involved in the stolen election software and it ended up in Washington DC?

What could they have done with the knowledge that was stolen in Colorado?

I have no idea?

“The Trump effort to infiltrate the voting systems was worse than we knew.”

https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-part-ii-seven-judges-direct

Look @ the picture of Governor Kemp of Georgia laughing it up about the
voting machines having there back door machine codes stolen by republicans
who took the voting machines or parts of the voting machines when they were
“investigating” election fraud.

It is not at all unusual for them to vote lock step for President in the direction the rabbi told them too. The orthodox Jewish population, unlike the non orthodox Jewish population bought that Trump was more "pro Israel" than Harris. Harris was hurt on BOTH sides of the people who cared about the Gaza War.

Why is looking at ballots such a big deal?

least very unlikely.

I have no problem with them looking at the ballots, but it might be good to wait until (and if) they actually find a discrepancy.

And btw you are comparing one machine count from one year to a machine count from another year so no human being has verified either

Just to try and satisfy people that absent any evidence "just know that the votes were manipulated somehow"

What services should they cut from their residents to pay for it?

Hand counting is much less accurate than computers

https://votingrightslab.org/2024/02/27/ballot-hand-counts-lead-to-inaccuracy/

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/hand-counting-ballots

But I am only talking hand counting the top 2 races so it doesn’t have to be a big deal

The precinct I vote in has around 1100 voters show up between early voting, mail in voting and Election Day voting, ten honor roll 4th graders could count that many ballots and 2 races several times in a couple of hours

Citizens have the right to oversee the election process and the counting of ballots, that can only be done with a hand count because no human can “oversee” the inner workings of a computer

Based on your reply that you are most interested in hand counting 2 races in your own small precinct, what happens elsewhere, like the seven swing states or Rockland County , NY doesn't seem to be relevant then.

Curious if your distrust of computers since you can't "oversee" the inner workings also apply to things like calculators, adding machines, and software programs like Excel? Abacus have been used for centuries and are an option, but would require some amount of training for election workers, as most people have never used one.

As a degreed engineer who worked regularly doing statistical analysis for manufacturing processes, I recognize that computers are exponentially more accurate than hand counting, but some people are very mistrustful of technology.

The ward in the ny case has less than 600 voters and they are willing to spend a bunch of taxpayer money to not let citizens examine ballots… so it’s not about saving money

Is there are 3 different keys the user key, the manager key and the master key and the master key can override anything anyone “inputted “ with the first two keys

So basically the last guy in with the most powerful key decides what “output” will be shown

for those who don't trust computers. There are quite a few available on Amazon that are quite inexpensive.

…but not where I live.

Remember Lindell told in court that he had bought software. The thing that nobody questioned was that they had altered the voting machines. There is noway it was just this one time.

Something Fishy, Something Uneasy, feeling since November.
Electronic Voting has destroyed the notion of 'Free and Fair' elections.
Instead of instant overnight results
We should be using the month of November
to count and verify the count.

…. but skipped voting for President. Hence the Republicans and their media mouth pieces
can now say that Harris lost because she didn’t turn out enough voters when in reality (@
least in my half baked brain) Harris votes were either flipped or deleted.

I'm not up for Googling at the moment (85 degrees, no AC), so if you have easy access that'd be much appreciated. Thanks.

Everybody who voted had a vote for President and a vote for the seat in the House of Representatives for their District Congressional. Senate can't be compared because not all states had a Senate election on the ballot.

Total votes for President in 2024: 155,238,302
Total votes in Congressional elections in 2024: 149,543,421

Excess votes for President: 5,694,881

Total votes for President in 2020: 158,429,631
Total votes in Congressional elections in 2020: 153,431,405

Excess votes for President: 4,998,226

Comparable numbers - Nothing unusual there.

...after the election in November, when the conspiracy theorists were pointing out that the fact that so many people in the swing states voted for President but not other statewide races pointed to the election being stolen?

Whatever they think supports them, they don't care if it directly contradicts. What they said yesterday

Tons of facts and stats.

You can’t look at the entire country at once, that wouldnt show anything but an average

where there were more votes cast in the Senate election than the presidential election.

Arizona 3,389,319 presidential, 3,272,086 Senate

Michigan 5,653,665 presidential, 5,406,366 Senate

Wisconsin 3,409,134, presidential 3,316,773 Senate

Pennsylvania 7,034,206 presidential, 6,783,475 Senate

Nevada 1,482,086 presidential, 1,422,531 Senate

Georgia 5,250,047 presidential, no Senate race, no governor race

North Carolina 5,672,784 presidential, no Senate race, 5,310,805 governor

All numbers taken from cnn.com. So no, there weren't more votes for the Senate races than the presidential race.

And please use the states websites

...who gets their numbers from the states, is lying?

swing state Senate races than in the presidential contests. That’s not true.

Why keep spreading this disinformation?

Not really surprising

Split ticket voting is a thing. What are you claiming would be proven by a Senate candidate getting more votes than a presidential candidate? In the 2018-2022 cycle 26% of Democrats running for Senate ran more than 5 points ahead of the Biden ticket in 2020. 52% ran within 3 points. Not really a rare event if it happens all the time.

https://thehill.com/opinion/4923217-senate-campaigns-mismatch/

But also, the person making the claim, that is you, should be providing the evidence. You being too lazy to do your own homework doesn't make your case convincing, even more so when you immediately backtrack after claiming 4 swing states had more votes for Senate than president, and then saying you meant something else. If you had stated your position more accurately and/or provided evidence, it might be more convincing. Well that or you might realize you're pushing an unsupported conspiracy theory.

So to revise my earlier statement,

There were four swing states that showed more democratic votes for the democratic senate candidate than the democratic presidential candidate, this is unusual

Partisan ballots are primary only (or not at all, depending on the state/local rules).

So while there may have been more votes for the democratic senate candidate than the democratic presidential candidate, that is hardly unusual, and we have no idea whether the voters who cast those votes were democratic or republican. Some people split votes for a variety of reasons (not voting in a race in which they don't like either candidate, hoping for a split governance - here, wanting Trump, but also wanting a check on trump via the senate etc.)

Just saying it’s worth looking at

...it's 10 times out of 34.

34 Senate races, 10 races where the Democratic Senate candidate got more votes than VP Harris.

8% v. 29%

You can do what I did:

Open two browser windows
In one, Google "2024 Senate Elections" and go to Wikipedia
In the other Google "2024 Presidential Election" and go to Wikipedia

You can click on each of the highlighted states in the Senate window to get the numbers, then click on that state in the Presidential window to get those numbers.

If you truly question everything, then you should be prepared to look up the facts that support your questions.

But please keep ridiculing a fellow democrat for expecting transparency in our election practices and being old enough to remember counting paper ballots by hand

I explained to you how to find the info. If you don’t want to do it, that’s on you.

Simple to you

Besides i only have my phone and really can’t do anything with it ( like not even copy and paste)

So whatever

But hey maybe that’s part of why I don’t trust puter counting or reporting

I would of been interested if there were actually ten states that had more senate votes than presidential votes ( in the democratic side) but it’s not like I think it would change anything

Too many people, of both parties are way too invested in defending our non transparent election system and they have all the money behind them so

See you in the camps

I've already posted evidence that 26% of Democratic Senate candidates between 2018 and 2022 ran more than 5 points ahead of Biden. Hardly unusual. Can you provide any real citations involving actual election history that says this is unusual? Otherwise that's just another incorrect claim.

You aren't arguing in good faith or willing to change your mind. The theory you're clinging to has no basis in reality. There's a reason that the people selling it don't put it in context and instead tell you only that 4 swing states as if those aren't the states that would be most likely to want to split their votes and leave out that it happens all the time.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/12/us/politics/senate-democrats-election-biden.html

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/23/biden-trump-swing-states-polling-democrats

https://www.courthousenews.com/many-trump-voters-back-senate-democrats-making-the-chamber-a-toss-up-in-the-fall/

People just cling to the nonsense conspiracy theory and ignore everything else.

Just isn’t worth the effort.

...that it wasn't just 4 swing states that had more Democratic votes for Senate ("unusual&quot but 10 of the 34 Senate seats up for grabs, the poster asks for the proof...and when told how to find the proof...crickets.

In the 34 contested Senate seats in 2024, 10 of them (29%) had the Democratic Senate candidate getting more votes than VP Harris.

In the 11 gubernatorial races, 4 of them (36%) had the Democratic gubernatorial candidates getting more votes than VP Harris.

POTUS: https://elections.wi.gov/sites/default/files/documents/County%20by%20County%20Report_POTUS.pdf (page 5)
Senate: https://elections.wi.gov/sites/default/files/documents/County%20by%20County%20Report_US%20Senate_1.pdf (page 3)

POTUS: https://er.ncsbe.gov/?election_dt=11/05/2024&county_id=0&office=FED&contest=0
Governor: https://er.ncsbe.gov/?election_dt=11/05/2024&county_id=0&office=COS&contest=1180

With all the reposting you do, you have yet to post one single piece of hard evidence. Babbling about so called "statistical patterns" to people who have no clue about statistics is not evidence. I am a retired professional statistician. All the so called statistical evidence churned out by these guys amount to nothing more than statistical garbage. There is zero evidence there.

What is the point in paper ballots if regular citizens are not allowed to look at them?

I have never said we have proof of election fraud, I say it’s up to our employees that administer elections to prove the numbers they report are accurate.

And yes the clerks that run elections work for “we the people “, not the other way around

In ny there are people who swear they voted for the 3rd party candidate that didn’t get reported….why in the world wouldn’t we look at that to see if it happened and maybe why it happened? I don’t remember the exact number but the idea that it takes a court order to dbl check the count on approximately 500 ballots is ready frustrating.

I would think the clerk would be eager to either prove their numbers are correct or would want to know how it went wrong.

There are 4 swing states that show more votes for the senate races than the presidential race, that’s not how it usually goes, therefore i see nothing wrong with looking 👀

If the average American citizen can’t oversee the counting of votes then we have a giant “trust me” system and that’s not how democracy works

However, just so you know you're barking up a dead tree, with regards to this statement "In ny there are people who swear they voted for the 3rd party candidate that didn’t get reported", There were only 2 who stated they would be willing to testify under oath in court that they voted for that person? If they were telling the truth, why wouldn't the others be willing to testify in court? It's because they were given some incentive to lie by the organization filing the lawsuit.

https://substack.com/home/post/p-167466926

She has 3 likes and 2 retweets

Her words are valid because the facts she presents are true and I agree with the opinions she presents.

https://www.tiktok.com/@myrandapolisci/video/7522195378440047886

I never thought I'd see this level of election denialism on a Democratic site.

I guess they just forgot to steal the Senate races in Michigan and Wisconsin? 🤣🤣

...that they meant more Democrats voted for Democratic Senate candidate than voted for VP Harris...said that was unusual, which I also question.

For example

In 2020

More people voted for MArk Kelly for in Arizona than voted for Biden for President

'Vigilantes Inc.'
+
'All The President's Men'

and ignore any possibilities of ticket splitting.

NT

Amusing rhetoric but what is the point w/respect to Rockland? Hasn't it been verified to be a private orthodox county that votes in unison?

Zero votes in a precinct for a presidential candidate: It happens, and experts say it's not voter fraud

https://web.archive.org/web/20201002105832/https://www.ajc.com/blog/jamie-dupree/zero-votes-precinct-for-presidential-candidate-happens-and-experts-say-not-voter-fraud/UBtQcSBfew00GpmtrhvzwN/

FALSE: Zero votes for 2024 Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris in Rockland County, New York, precinct proves Elon Musk hacked 2024 presidential election.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2025/feb/26/social-media/why-did-kamala-harris-get-zero-votes-in-this-ny-pr/

Obama Got Zero Votes in At Least 38 Precincts in 2012

https://electionlawblog.org/?p=88288

It’s about the third party candidate voters saying there votes are not reflected in the reported results