Democratic Primaries

Lonestarblue

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18. Hard to say without knowing which states they were in.

Wed Apr 1, 2020, 08:28 PM

Apr 2020

I did a calculation recently after reading a WaPo article that said Bernie would need to win 60% of the remaining delegates to have a path. He doesn’t have a path even then. If Biden wins only 40%, a highly unlikely result, he would still go to the convention only a few votes short of 1,991. Bernie would still be further behind Biden in delegate count, but neither would have the number needed. The first vote could give the nomination to Biden IF the other candidates vote their delegates for Biden on that round, including Elizabeth Warren. If they wait for the second round, the superdelegates can vote. Given that they are the Democratic “establishment” that Bernie and his supporters have bashed for months, few of them will vote for him and Biden becomes the nominee on the second vote.

In order to have a path to the nomination, Bernie needs 70-80% of remaining votes. That will not happen. He needs to drop out now and try to bring his supporters around to working with and voting for Biden. Anything else runs a big risk if Trump winning.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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The benefit of the Democrats denouncing Sanders's selfishness [View all] Gothmog Apr 2020 OP

Many of us have been saying this for weeks. OnDoutside Apr 2020 #1

The Irregulars Point The Way For The Heavy Horse, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #2

yep.. it's over. Cha Apr 2020 #3

This one's for you, Bernie. zackymilly Apr 2020 #12

Beautiful song. Perfect for the occasion. Thank you. I thoroughly enjoyed. And with all due emmaverybo Apr 2020 #230

About damn time! mcar Apr 2020 #4

It's about time... comradebillyboy Apr 2020 #5

K&R brer cat Apr 2020 #6

My own brother in 2016 Ellen Forradalom Apr 2020 #7

Bernie himself could do a lot towards getting his followers to vote for our nominee Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #8

He Has Form, Sir, He Will Do What He Can... The Magistrate Apr 2020 #9

Great post. OnDoutside Apr 2020 #10

I really was speaking more about those that support sanders, but not the cultish group Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #13

Those Who Are Not Devotees, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #14

"Those that might be on the fence" that is all I refer to. Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #17

I Do Hope We Have Not Mis-Read One Another, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #19

No ...haven't mis read, but there are many polls that show up to 50+% of sanders voters say they Thekaspervote Apr 2020 #44

People Talk A Lot Of Smack, Sir, Before Actually Stepping Up The Magistrate Apr 2020 #49

sanders did indeed lie about supporting Hillary Cinton earlier Gothmog Apr 2020 #27

The Convention Performance Was Disgraceful, Sir, And Infuriating The Magistrate Apr 2020 #29

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast where there was a mini riot Gothmog Apr 2020 #31

Damn! Thanks for sharing that. BlueLucy Apr 2020 #45

The Texas state Convention will be virtual Gothmog Apr 2020 #50

That's good. BlueLucy Apr 2020 #53

This! dhol82 Apr 2020 #226

The 12% for Trump may very well have been what put him over the top. nt oldsoftie Apr 2020 #11

Hard to say without knowing which states they were in. Lonestarblue Apr 2020 #18

must be a slow news day or people are extremely bored. nt yaesu Apr 2020 #15

Bored with Bernie fantasies that are still bleeding us while Dems have real work to do, that's all. Hekate Apr 2020 #219

Right? thegoose Apr 2020 #16

You missed the point. James48 Apr 2020 #20

That Is Nonesense, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #24

At least some of the vote for sanders in early states were GOP Operation Chaos vote Gothmog Apr 2020 #26

I Expect So, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #28

The reality, warmfeet Apr 2020 #21

I'm a Sanders supporter and I hate people who don't vote democrat. Rizen Apr 2020 #22

I Applaud Your Sentiments, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #30

Why short circuit the process? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #23

Excellent Post McKim Apr 2020 #25

How is sanders going to get this plan adopted in the real world?? Gothmog Apr 2020 #36

I hate to break it to you the process is over Gothmog Apr 2020 #34

It is against him. Biden will win. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #35

No One Is Afraid Of The Process, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #37

If you are afraid of Bernie, then you have no confidence in Biden. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #39

The Technical Term For That, Sir, Is Bullshit The Magistrate Apr 2020 #42

If you want a divided left, then let's do it your way. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #46

What Divides The Left, Sir, Is Sanders' Jihad Against The 'Democratic Establishment' The Magistrate Apr 2020 #55

What divides the left is when you shut them out. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #58

They Shut Themselves Out, sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #64

+1 honest.abe Apr 2020 #128

Read post 31 Gothmog Apr 2020 #99

I'm not asking Sanders to be appeased. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #100

In the real world candidates drop out when they have been eliminated Gothmog Apr 2020 #103

Except for ones I mentioned earlier. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #105

"Defeating Trump" is the only reason you need to vote for Biden hack89 Apr 2020 #108

I think we should be able to find positive reason in Biden. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #114

Defeat And Removal Of a Dangerous Enemy, Sir, Is Something To Be For The Magistrate Apr 2020 #115

Your posts remind me of the teachers who used to say "ignore the bullies and they'll go away" kcr Apr 2020 #127

I submit the targeting isn't limited to the few. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #129

Why can't the bullying victims just say nice things about their mom? kcr Apr 2020 #130

As someone who doesn't list Biden as their choice, how have I bullied you? Please be specific. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #132

From Nate Gothmog Apr 2020 #38

Exactly, so why sweat the process when all it can end in is victory? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #40

You Give A Very Poor Imitation Of A Fool, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #43

I can post unrelated quotes too, but I am not sure the benefit. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #48

You May Certainly Post Unrelated Quotes, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #54

Maybe those are your tagline. You repeat them a lot. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #56

They Will Call the Process Unfair, Sir, However It Plays Out The Magistrate Apr 2020 #61

So you want to give it credibility, why? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #63

Being False To Fact, Sir, It Can Have No Credibilty The Magistrate Apr 2020 #67

You want to end this process before it is mathematically over. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #69

Always Nice To Wake Up To A Good Laugh With My Coffee, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #70

Please be civil to fellow Duers. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #83

Nothing In My Comments Lacks Civility, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #84

You are literally defending being incivil. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #86

I Am, Sir, But A Helpless Slave To 'That Cheerful And Roguish Vice, Politeness' The Magistrate Apr 2020 #88

I did not. I said it was an option, "but for now, bye." Gore1FL Apr 2020 #89

I Will Try And Bear Up Under It, Sir... The Magistrate Apr 2020 #90

7% of Sanders supporters say they'd vote for Trump against Biden Gothmog Apr 2020 #223

Great post DenverJared Apr 2020 #32

+1. Better to lay the beatdown on the alt-left/BoB's. radius777 Apr 2020 #33

That wasn't the left. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #41

25% of sanders supporters are republicans?? Gothmog Apr 2020 #47

Maybe we should reach out to them if we want their votes. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #51

They Wedge Themselves Off, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #57

No. They have been told to take a back seat since 1988. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #59

When Was This Golden Era, Sir, When The Left Dominated The Democratic Party? The Magistrate Apr 2020 #71

Pre 1984 Gore1FL Apr 2020 #72

Oh, Really? Suspected You Might Say Something Like That The Magistrate Apr 2020 #73

You can call being anti-Reaganomics whatever you want. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #74

In Other Words, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #75

No, in other words, I don't wish to discuss what you are discussing. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #76

All You Need Do, Sir, Is Cease Replying The Magistrate Apr 2020 #77

Or I could just add you to the short hide list I've compiled in almost two decades here. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #78

Wear It In Good Health, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #79

You can't quit being condescending, can you? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #80

So You Have Not Used The Ignore Button, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #81

No, I did not. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #82

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Apr 2020 #85

You just have to scroll up and re-read it. nt Gore1FL Apr 2020 #87

I read the post and the difference is that I actually understood the material Gothmog Apr 2020 #91

Another uniter. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #92

How does pushing bogus rape accusations and booing Hillary Clinton and John Lewis unite the party? Gothmog Apr 2020 #94

I Expect To Put Up Mr. Thomas' Remarks In Full Soon, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #93

If they want a front seat for their viewpoint Aquaria Apr 2020 #179

I like the way things were before Reagan, myself. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #183

Joe is getting a lot of never Trumpers and ... BlueLucy Apr 2020 #60

Great. He can appeal to the left too. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #62

I know he can and will. BlueLucy Apr 2020 #65

Read the OP Gothmog Apr 2020 #98

You keep coming to the word appease. This is a word I never used. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #102

The only thing that will make the sanders supporters happy is if the party bend a knee to sanders Gothmog Apr 2020 #116

Do you have data on this, or is this just conjecture based on random tweets? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #149

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Apr 2020 #153

Obviously it is pointless talking to you. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #158

Why are you afraid of facts? Gothmog Apr 2020 #164

I'm not. I am afraid of people who keep changing the subject. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #166

The facts are what are important Gothmog Apr 2020 #167

It's still off-topic. nt Gore1FL Apr 2020 #171

I am the author of the OP and this is indeed on topic Gothmog Apr 2020 #173

It's not the topic I was discussing. I was discussing the political benefits of respect. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #176

Read the OP-it is a waste of time to try to appease sanders supporters who want to vote for trump Gothmog Apr 2020 #186

You keep using the word appease when I use the word respect. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #188

How do you win the vote of racist white sanders supporters who hate President Obama? Gothmog Apr 2020 #190

Not all of them are racist or white Gore1FL Apr 2020 #194

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Apr 2020 #203

What part of "leave me alone" don't you get? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #204

Why will you not answer this simple question? Gothmog Apr 2020 #207

If you can't be nice, please leave me alone. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #206

Corrected The Gentleman, Have You? The Magistrate Apr 2020 #199

I am simply curious as to how one win the vote of the sanders supporters Gothmog Apr 2020 #209

As Our Interlocutor Here Makes Evident, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #213

Oh no, Biden lost Joe Rogan Gothmog Apr 2020 #168

What does Joe Rogan have to do with this? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #169

Rogan is one of the racist white voters who sanders was appealing to Gothmog Apr 2020 #174

Because of the Joe Rogan fellow you are unable to be nice to people? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #175

Read the study and posting set forth in this thread Gothmog Apr 2020 #154

This may be factual, but it is off-topic. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #170

Again I am the author of the OP and this is clearly on topic Gothmog Apr 2020 #187

It is not the topic I am discussing. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #189

Who cares? Gothmog Apr 2020 #191

You'll care in November if we lose. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #195

If Sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states and Kevin McCarthy will be speaker Gothmog Apr 2020 #196

Sanders won't be the nominee. It will be Biden. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #197

How do you appease or win the vote of racist white sanders supporters who hate President Obama Gothmog Apr 2020 #202

Leave me alone Gore1FL Apr 2020 #205

You are the one who thinks that we win the vote of sanders supporters Gothmog Apr 2020 #208

I am the one advocating being civil. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #211

So Discuss It Among Yourself, Fella The Magistrate Apr 2020 #193

Yes it is amusing Gothmog Apr 2020 #210

He can't appeal to a "left" Aquaria Apr 2020 #180

And calling people unrealistic will get their votes, how exactly? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #182

NEW: @ProjectLincoln has a new ad out. Gothmog Apr 2020 #224

'Never Trump' Republicans Will Support Biden, Not Sanders Gothmog Apr 2020 #215

Donald Trump is the only real winner if Bernie Sanders remains in the Democratic primary Gothmog Apr 2020 #95

It's weird it didn't hurt other times. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #96

That is because Hillary Clinton actually worked hard to elect President Obama Gothmog Apr 2020 #97

I remember Sanders delivering the VT delegate votes for her at the convention Gore1FL Apr 2020 #101

I was there Gothmog Apr 2020 #104

You can hold grudges or you can win elections. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #106

Read post 117-Trying to appease the sanders voters who voted for trump is a waste of time Gothmog Apr 2020 #120

Not appease. Please stop putting words in my mouth. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #126

It is a waste of time trying to appease these voters in the real world Gothmog Apr 2020 #131

There are 14% at DU. You call them not real? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #135

If any member of DU voted for trump in 2016 or voted for Stein, then they need to find another home Gothmog Apr 2020 #142

So you wish to win 2016 by reducing our chances of getting votes. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #145

"If any member of DU voted for trump in 2016 or voted for Stein.... George II Apr 2020 #147

You seem proud of that rather than ashamed. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #150

Biden won the nomination by winning the support of African American voters Gothmog Apr 2020 #156

Are you saying the 14% of DU that are Sanders supporters are racist? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #159

I Suspect, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #160

Only the ones who want to vote for trump or who voted for trump in 2016 Gothmog Apr 2020 #163

I am not going to argue with you on being civil anymore Gore1FL Apr 2020 #165

There Is A Purge After Every Primary, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #143

Tell that to Bernie. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2020 #125

You first, cupcake Aquaria Apr 2020 #181

I was at the convention and sanders conduct at the convention was really sad Gothmog Apr 2020 #218

If they are willing to vote for Trump they are not reachable hack89 Apr 2020 #109

Probably One Cannot, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #110

Who says they are willing to vote for Trump Gore1FL Apr 2020 #111

Sanders is throwing feces at me with reckless abandon hack89 Apr 2020 #112

So you are suggesting we all live by that standard or should we set a better more inclusive one? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #113

So you are saying Dems need to be better than Sanders and his supporters? hack89 Apr 2020 #133

We can say that if it makes us more civil. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #136

But democracy requires compromise hack89 Apr 2020 #138

Why is Bernie part of the equation of us being good actors? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #139

Bernie is not civil. Neither are his bro's hack89 Apr 2020 #140

So you want to become more like those you dislike? Why let them set the bar? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #146

Are they incapable of being like me? hack89 Apr 2020 #151

"Why should I care about them?" Gore1FL Apr 2020 #152

I assume they are too hack89 Apr 2020 #161

Well Said, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #162

Maybe you could get them to share your definition of "winning." Gore1FL Apr 2020 #172

If you are satisfied with Trump then there is nothing I can do, now is there? hack89 Apr 2020 #178

To win we need voters Gore1FL Apr 2020 #184

But we can't give them what they want. hack89 Apr 2020 #192

Facts matter in the real world Gothmog Apr 2020 #117

Do we make inroads on that 25% or should we try to lose the other 75%? Gore1FL Apr 2020 #124

The only way to appease the 25% is to bend the knee and anoint sanders as nominee Gothmog Apr 2020 #134

So you say. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #137

People who vote for trump or stein are not Democrats Gothmog Apr 2020 #141

Then don't bitch if they don't come out for Biden. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #144

I am still waiting for an explanation of how one wins the vote of racists who hate President Obama Gothmog Apr 2020 #217

You should check out Sanders supporters on Twitter. George II Apr 2020 #122

Sanders isn't getting the nomination. Gore1FL Apr 2020 #123

Who even knows if they're really Sanders supporters or, for that matter, would vote for Sanders.... George II Apr 2020 #121

Russia and Putin have been busy supporting sanders and trump supporters want to run against sanders Gothmog Apr 2020 #214

It's all in Mueller's report. George II Apr 2020 #216

Why did Bernie Sanders drop out? The progressive majority he needed doesn't exist Gothmog Apr 2020 #225

A large number of real Democrats have very good memories Gothmog Apr 2020 #52

No, Sir, We Do Not The Magistrate Apr 2020 #107

I am a proud member of the Democratic Party Gothmog Apr 2020 #118

I gave up on that 15% the day after the election in 2016. They don't Kahuna Apr 2020 #66

The sooner the better. 👍 Tarheel_Dem Apr 2020 #68

spot on - "Vanity Project" onetexan Apr 2020 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Apr 2020 #148

You've a Good Deal More Patience Than I Have Ever Had, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #155

I am a lawyer and ex-college debater Gothmog Apr 2020 #157

I was originally a Bernie fan but when Hillary got the nomination i changed my support to her. kimbutgar Apr 2020 #177

:) Yes! But Sanders' 25% would never have voted Democrat Hortensis Apr 2020 #198

Some top Sanders advisers urge him to consider withdrawing Gothmog Apr 2020 #185

The 25% or so of Sanders' supporters GeorgiaPeanut Apr 2020 #200

It would be a waste of time to pursue and to try to appease these voters Gothmog Apr 2020 #201

It is okay to ignore sanders Gothmog Apr 2020 #212

Biden needs to focus on moderate voters Gothmog Apr 2020 #220

True, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #221

Biden gets the official support of the NeverTrumpwe GOP group that runs all those devastating ads Gothmog Apr 2020 #222

Wish I Could R This A Million Times Me. Apr 2020 #227

In looking for a silver lining in all this "stuff" I am seeing that the 2024 pres election will in2herbs Apr 2020 #228

True this! redstatebluegirl Apr 2020 #229