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The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
161. I Appreciate Your Comments, Ma'am
Tue Mar 31, 2020, 06:12 PM
Mar 2020

I would point out that my reference to 'backroom deals' in exchanges with 'Don1' (if recollection serves as to who I was addressing), referred to his proposal that some deal be struck in which 'progressives' (ie 'Bernie') would be allocated delegates in proportion to what he conceived as their actual strength within the Party, and that this would be a sort of price for 'Bernie' ceasing his attempts at sabotage. This he proclaimed as 'DEMOCRACY', while to me it is obviously the very picture of a backroom deal, and one I cannot imagine there being any mechanism for executing with the delegate selection practices of the Democratic Party. It would be, if struck and followed through on, the antithesis of democratic practice.

Not that you have mis-characterized my view of how our Congress works, mind.

Regarding composition of the Party electorate, I do not agree with you, but this must necessarily be a question of judgement on which people of good will may differ. As a leftist, I consider in present circumstances the first duty of anyone on the left, from the most radical to the mildest liberal, is to beat back the christo-fascist right. Nothing towards the advance of policies left, progressive, and liberal people desire can be achieved unless this is done first. I have no patience whatever for anyone calling himself or herself a leftist who cannot see this.

There will never be reflected in the Democratic Party platform any idea or program based on the view that the two major parties are equal or effectively equivalent. People who hold to that view consign themselves to a powerless political existence. Their ideas will never be reflected, and frankly are sufficiently false to fact they ought not to be reflected. That is a view pumped out and plumped up by ivory tower radicals, and even if they live in grungy walk-ups with holes in the soles of their shoes they are in fact ivory tower types. 'Bernie' began as one of these sorts, and has learned over the years to perform as a poor imitation of a 'real' politician, at least if one does not look too close. He remains at heart a Marxist radical, and anyone familiar with the sort can readily discern its lineaments in his words and manner.

I regret that your cousins take such a view, and wish they would not. But people cannot be argued out of unreasonable beliefs, though sometimes they can be shocked out of them. People who hold that view voluntarily ostracize themselves from the political life of the country. Even were one to concede for purposes of argument that there might be some sense in which that view was 'right' it would not matter. To hold it is to agree not to participate in the political system as it exists. Multi-party parliamentary systems form their coalitions after an election; our two party 'first past the post' system requires coalitions be formed prior to elections. The Democratic Party is the only coalition that will include people of the left, and the only mass vehicle by which the worst excesses of christo-fascist reaction on the right can be opposed with any effect.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Why Don't Bernie Voters Matter? [View all] qwlauren35 Mar 2020 OP
They want us to beg... showblue22 Mar 2020 #1
They Make Themselves Irrelevant, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #2
Well Said! Tribalceltic Mar 2020 #59
sanders has attacked the party and establishment Democrats Gothmog Mar 2020 #72
I Salute Your Efforts, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #92
We are gearing up for voter protection Gothmog Mar 2020 #102
That Will Doubtless Be Necessary, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #105
The GOP is the party of voter suppression Gothmog Mar 2020 #109
Richard Viguerie Was Making Speeches to This Effect, Sir, In Reagan's Time The Magistrate Mar 2020 #110
Here is a great quote from the founder of the Heritage Foundation Gothmog Mar 2020 #112
Thank You, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #116
I first heard Paul Weyrich's name back in 2004 at a training session in Florida Gothmog Mar 2020 #123
Thank you Gothmog, I'm in Texas and a few things about the TxGOP vote supression. Sunlei Mar 2020 #121
The self-importance of certain of his Bros Ellen Forradalom Mar 2020 #84
You couldn't be more wrong. Jokerman Apr 2020 #163
Thank You For Confirming My Point, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #164
They need to be shamed into submission? Don1 Mar 2020 #3
They Need To Be Prevented From Lending Themselves To Bernie's' Blackmail, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #9
That's not true. Don1 Mar 2020 #14
Yes It Is, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #20
Agree completely Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #27
No Don1 Mar 2020 #124
There Would Be No Point In Merely Repeating Myself, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #135
You are NOT stating facts. Don1 Mar 2020 #141
Your Own Words, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #143
My own words Don1 Mar 2020 #145
Good Luck, And Thank You For The Laugh The Magistrate Mar 2020 #147
How about acknowledging the obvious? OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2020 #79
Well, because Democrats aren't really an alternative to Hortensis Mar 2020 #4
Exactly. nt oasis Mar 2020 #37
+1 betsuni Mar 2020 #40
Sanders also called democrats intellectually bankrupt Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #41
Link please... mikeysnot Mar 2020 #51
You're kidding? Sanders says this stuff in many ways, Hortensis Mar 2020 #95
It Strikes Once Again, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #99
:) You're right. But sometimes I like to shoot down Hortensis Mar 2020 #115
"When advised that his third-party candidacy might result in a Republican victory, ehrnst Apr 2020 #165
His ideas are good and need discussion, but snowybirdie Mar 2020 #5
Don't fall into that trap. His ideas aren't good. dansolo Apr 2020 #162
Nobody's saying that Bernie voters don't matter Nonhlanhla Mar 2020 #6
Why don't Biden voters matter? Why doesn't that fact that Biden has 300 more delegates pnwmom Mar 2020 #7
i am more than willing to unite behind joe but i also have asked for an explanation questionseverything Mar 2020 #45
Incremental change works slowy but surely. comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #50
so what exactly is the public option gonna cost,what will it cover,who will get subsidies, like that questionseverything Mar 2020 #54
Beats me... comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #63
You might find answers to these questions thucythucy Mar 2020 #82
i have read his web site...it is pretty vague questionseverything Mar 2020 #93
I hope you get what you need. qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #52
m4a is medicare on steroids..they just called it medicare because peops were familiar with the term questionseverything Mar 2020 #61
Thanks much. qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #71
Just call them members of a cult. Thats what some people here think works. Rilgin Mar 2020 #83
Ask Elizabeth Warren. She was smart enough to know that Medicare was constructed pnwmom Mar 2020 #103
bernie said it was a step up from medicare questionseverything Apr 2020 #168
Not true. Elizabeth Warren's website went into great detail about her plan pnwmom Apr 2020 #170
you didn't address anything i said questionseverything Apr 2020 #172
Warren doesn't constantly disparage other Democrats or the DNC. pnwmom Apr 2020 #177
i would still love liz to be the vp candidate questionseverything Apr 2020 #178
If Bernie were the candidate we don't know what plan he'd be trying to sell in the general. pnwmom Apr 2020 #179
They Don't VOTE Blue Streak Science Mar 2020 #8
+1 RGinNJ Mar 2020 #10
Had Bernie supporters turned out in 2016 numbers Vogon_Glory Mar 2020 #15
They DO Matter DAngelo136 Mar 2020 #11
Does their "Revolution" have any merit at all? qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #23
well stated questionseverything Mar 2020 #47
The so-called 30% were heard in the primaries already taken place. They didn't prevail. brush Mar 2020 #88
It was heard HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #140
Excellent question. zentrum Mar 2020 #12
They do matter. Just not as much as the majority of voters.Why should the opinions of ... marble falls Mar 2020 #13
Excellent Point, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #19
I am African-American qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #28
You matter to me, qwl35. democrank Mar 2020 #35
You will be heard Hav Mar 2020 #46
You Might Want To Ask Mr. Sanders, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #48
I am... qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #55
My Apologies, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #60
Thank you. jrthin Mar 2020 #64
I find it hard to equate the trevails of the Bernie only's and the struggle of people of ... marble falls Mar 2020 #58
Are you paying the race card? . This African American wants BS to bugger off Dream Girl Mar 2020 #101
Just in case... qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #107
I'm resentful of what you fuckers did to Hillary & John Lewis; we aren't putting up with it now. NBachers Mar 2020 #16
Thank You! Cha Mar 2020 #25
This! MFM008 Mar 2020 #33
I voted for Hillary. qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #34
That Hardly Matters, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #57
Blame Bernie for that broad brush kcr Mar 2020 #68
Me too democrattotheend Mar 2020 #96
I was at the convention Gothmog Mar 2020 #111
Thanks for the education. qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #113
So there you have it, "Bernie" guys........... MyOwnPeace Mar 2020 #36
+1 betsuni Mar 2020 #43
I was there and saw how sanders and his vetted delegates acted Gothmog Mar 2020 #73
I have no words. qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #150
I Appreciate Your Comments, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2020 #161
Then clean up your own yard. Codeine Mar 2020 #128
A majority would love to move forward together Hav Mar 2020 #17
Why do you think they matter more than the majority relayerbob Mar 2020 #18
Yep, its getting pretty sickening for sure and only helps tRump. nt yaesu Mar 2020 #21
Why Don't Biden Voters "Matter".. 'they're the ones who Cha Mar 2020 #22
If Sanders is not nominee, they won't vote or vote Trump. Or, the will be a part of blue wave. LizBeth Mar 2020 #24
Did a review and Sanders' numbers are lower than that. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #26
Thanks for the correction. qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #44
Electing the President is not the sole thing that needs to happen. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #86
Most people work for corporations, most small businesses are even incorporated. brush Mar 2020 #90
I agree. qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #151
How is this helpful? gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #29
Why should Bernie voters matter more MontanaMama Mar 2020 #30
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Skittles Mar 2020 #31
They do, but right now a lot of people are thinking about other things right now. 33taw Mar 2020 #32
Imagine the shoe is on the other foot... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #38
Some of his platform? When asked how his student debt policy was different from Warren's, betsuni Mar 2020 #39
I missed the part where you showed Bernie voters dont matter. Eko Mar 2020 #42
I think it's a feeling I get from being here. qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #49
You have been here longer than I. Eko Mar 2020 #65
They do matter but majority rules. onecaliberal Mar 2020 #53
Some of his platform is being considered but that's not the problem ... TreasonousBastard Mar 2020 #56
OK qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #152
Why do BS voters insist that they matter more than Squinch Mar 2020 #62
To be honest, qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #75
And moving to the left -as defined by BS - was rejected by the vast majority Squinch Mar 2020 #81
My candidate was Warren. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #108
Why don't Biden voters matter? nini Mar 2020 #66
When 15% of Sanders supporters say they will vote for trump if Biden is the nominee still_one Mar 2020 #67
20% to 30% is far less than 80% to 70% in the real world Gothmog Mar 2020 #69
WOW! qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #78
The benefit of the Democrats denouncing Sanders's selfishness Gothmog Apr 2020 #169
Because there's not enough of them? Majority rules. robbedvoter Mar 2020 #70
It's my understanding qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #74
Support Biden and you will be in the majority of the Democratic Party. brush Mar 2020 #91
Every voice HAS been considered. BSs has been considered and REJECTED by the majority. Squinch Mar 2020 #120
Biden will consider/adopt Bernie's issues where can. Skid Rogue Mar 2020 #76
OK qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #80
These voters matter. mikewv Mar 2020 #77
But at the same time Ellen Forradalom Mar 2020 #85
I think Biden supporters thucythucy Mar 2020 #87
Hmm... qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #153
That sounds like a good plan thucythucy Mar 2020 #156
Thanks. qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #158
Nope. stopbush Mar 2020 #89
He lost get over it nt doc03 Mar 2020 #94
It is not a huge percentage...and Sanders never did expand his base...less votes than last time Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #97
Right. I have trashed threads with Sanders LakeArenal Mar 2020 #104
Sanders tried this strategy in 2016 stopdiggin Mar 2020 #98
Good points. qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #154
Biden has already adopted some of Bernie's policies BGBD Mar 2020 #100
You just don't like the answer to your question LakeArenal Mar 2020 #106
Been there. Done it. No interest in repeating it. nt COLGATE4 Mar 2020 #114
Because they have decided we are the enemy for some reason fallout87 Mar 2020 #117
... betsuni Mar 2020 #118
Also, "For some reason." Have you heard the shit coming out against Biden from BS followers? Squinch Mar 2020 #119
Was Elizabeth Warren "status quo"? thucythucy Mar 2020 #133
Why must Bernie voters need to be treated as if they're special? Politicub Mar 2020 #139
In my dreams I'd like to see Biden pick Sanders as VP, because he excluded a male then Hillary! Sunlei Mar 2020 #122
Lotsa answers here and I don;t see many replies from the OP. Shit-stirring? Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #125
Actually, there Have Been Plenty, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #144
I've read them. I see lots of Butwhatabout kinda stuff. Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #146
I completely agree with you. qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #157
When you made #bendtheknee your rallying cry Codeine Mar 2020 #126
we tried being nice in 2016 and what did that get us??? beachbumbob Mar 2020 #127
His Platform WILL be considered lees1975 Mar 2020 #129
In Charge Of Anything? Me. Mar 2020 #132
Hmmm.... qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #159
they matter, just not on this board janterry Mar 2020 #130
Just Stop Already Me. Mar 2020 #131
They matter a great deal to themselves. Is this not enough? NNadir Mar 2020 #134
I think a large percentage of Sanders supporters are not really dedicated Democrats. honest.abe Mar 2020 #136
Why would that need to be said at all? MineralMan Mar 2020 #137
To be clear. qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #160
It seems like Bernie or bust voters have a martyr complex Politicub Mar 2020 #138
No one should need to be asked or begged to do their civic duty. nt Kahuna Mar 2020 #142
it depends scrabblequeen40 Mar 2020 #148
At this point? Two words. Tara Reade. n/t nolawarlock Mar 2020 #149
Didn't Bernie get a LOT of say in the 2016 Democratic Party Platform? Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2020 #155
How 'Never Bernie' Voters Threw In With Biden and Changed the Primary Gothmog Apr 2020 #166
Quite True, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #167
In the HUGE blind spot that Sanders has GeorgiaPeanut Apr 2020 #175
A large number of real democrats have very good memories Gothmog Apr 2020 #171
That's not something Sanders supporters were saying about supporters of any other candidate ehrnst Apr 2020 #173
For every lost Bernie voter there are 5 to 10 near the center GeorgiaPeanut Apr 2020 #174
At this point snowybirdie Apr 2020 #176
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