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Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders didn't win any larger argument [View all]Aquaria
(1,076 posts)39. Medicare 4 All is not the panacea you think it is
To get everyone covered under it would take trillions of dollars. How do you pay for that? And how do you transition from private insurance without putting millions of jobs in limbo or jeopardy?
Furthermore, most people out here who have dealt with Medicare in the real world know something all of you pie in the sky people don't, which is that if your goal is to get rid of private insurance, well, you're going about it in the worst way imaginable. You will not get rid of private insurance with M4A. In fact, it will be as necessary with M4A as it is now, because--wait for it:
MEDICARE DOES NOT COVER EVERYTHING TODAY!
Are you aware of the fact that you can max out Medicare benefits? Or that you must pay 20% of all outpatient care, tests and procedures with standard Medicare? Think most seniors can afford to pay 20% of a $50K knee replacement? Because that's what you have to pay if you don't have a supplemental policy.
That's why anyone on Medicare who can afford it has supplemental insurance to cover the massive co-pays, deductibles, extended hospital stays--and more.
So do tell--how it helps anyone to go to M4A, which would probably need to be financed through higher FICA taxes, and then pay for supplemental policies, too? Where are the savings compared to ACA and private insurance through employers? Because, right now, with how Medicare is set up, there wouldn't be any savings by extending it to the population at large. Not as long as it has so many problems for the limited population it serves now.
M4A is not a workable solution. All of us who have known the reality of Medicare have been trying to tell all of you this for years now.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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No he didn't! What are these "issues" that Sander won? The majority of Democrats AND....
George II
Mar 2020
#10
The kind that we can pass quickly...millions of people's lives depend on it...can't have some huge
Demsrule86
Mar 2020
#15
We have the infrastructure of the ACA in place, along with REAL Medicare (not some faux "for all")
George II
Mar 2020
#16
Why do you think that he coudn't inspire them to register and get to a polling place on a Tuesday?
ehrnst
Mar 2020
#72
He won by cleaning up with older voters. Bernie and progressives are the future.
DanTex
Mar 2020
#20
If Sander got younger voters, he could have won...they didn't show up Dan...his base
Demsrule86
Mar 2020
#23
If they didn't vote for him, you can't say that he won them. It's really that simple.
Orrex
Mar 2020
#35
Fight for Fifteen started in 2012 and has raised minimum wages around the country.
betsuni
Mar 2020
#50
LOL. Bernie has been driving the fight for $15. It has everything to do with Bernie.
DanTex
Mar 2020
#55
Again, you ignore the exit poll data, which is understandable because it totally contradicts
DanTex
Mar 2020
#57
It would take years to put every person in the country on Medicare...and the cost would be
Demsrule86
Mar 2020
#24
"Sanders's vision for the party has been soundly and consistently rejected..."
NurseJackie
Mar 2020
#68
Every four years the party platform becomes more progressive. That's how time works.
betsuni
Mar 2020
#84
Why did Bernie Sanders drop out? The progressive majority he needed doesn't exist
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#106