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thesquanderer

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18. Point remains, ability to beat candidate X in your own party says *nothing* about...
Mon Mar 23, 2020, 02:10 PM
Mar 2020

...someone's ability to beat candidate Y in the other party.

To the other point, since not every election circumstance comes to pass in the real world, polls are our best indication of what would likely happen. And while a single poll with close results gives you very limited ability to extrapolate to what would actually happen, a series of dozens of polls with very large spreads does give you a great likelihood of a proper forecast. Though of course, things also could change a lot over 6 months.

As for popular vote, of course, it came down to a few states. Take a look at RCP history. March through June of 2016:

Michigan:
Sanders over Trump by 19 to 22 points.
Clinton over Trump by 4 to 16 points.

Wisconsin:
Sanders over Trump by 9 to 24 points.
Clinton over Trump by 5 to 14 points.

Pennsylvania:
Sanders over Trump by 6 to 20 points.
Clinton over Trump by 0 to 15 points.

So for example, at this point in 2016, Sanders could not beat Hillary in PA... but if the general had been held at that point, Sanders would have been the stronger candidate against Trump. It's two different races, with different voters voting, and with different pros and cons between the two opponents. There's just no natural correlation between being able to beat a given primary opponent with a particular set of voters, and being able to beat a given general election opponent with a different set of voters. None.

I do believe that Biden has a slightly better chance against Trump than Sanders would have... but not because Bidemn is beating Sanders, which I find irrelevant, but rather because polls show Biden as having slightly better numbers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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As would Bernie mcar Mar 2020 #1
I would too. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #2
Can you imagine the BS supporters liberal N proud Mar 2020 #3
Yes, of course. MineralMan Mar 2020 #4
They touted him as inevitable for having Codeine Mar 2020 #7
A few did when he won the first 3 states. treestar Mar 2020 #32
You're absolutey right. During the primary debates it seems some of we Democrats forgot ... marble falls Mar 2020 #5
Exactly. Thanks! MineralMan Mar 2020 #6
Am I wrong or have most of the Sanders supporters here NoMoreRepugs Mar 2020 #8
A big portion of them have come over to Biden, too. We need to heal some rifts here, not ... marble falls Mar 2020 #10
Personally, I've given it up as a lost cause TheFarseer Mar 2020 #28
I'm past the point of caring about Sanders anymore. The whole world knows its over. oldsoftie Mar 2020 #9
Sadly, the only impact Bernie can have now is to hurt Biden the same way he hurt Hillary... world wide wally Mar 2020 #11
And that is a very serious concern. It should concern all of us. MineralMan Mar 2020 #12
re:"A candidate who cannot win the primary race will not win in the General...it's that simple" thesquanderer Mar 2020 #13
Polls are not elections, and Hillary Clinton did Beat Trump MineralMan Mar 2020 #15
Point remains, ability to beat candidate X in your own party says *nothing* about... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #18
Possibilities in present do not equal reality in future delisen Mar 2020 #19
Exactly. MineralMan Mar 2020 #21
Of course. Like I said, "things also could change a lot over 6 months." thesquanderer Mar 2020 #23
I think he should do this as well MustLoveBeagles Mar 2020 #14
If my trash guy had the lead I'd ask for the other to step aside.... Bengus81 Mar 2020 #16
Sanders supporters were already calling for him to be declared the winner Dopers_Greed Mar 2020 #17
I remember. Cha Mar 2020 #26
This is war footing now, we need a stable experienced leader to get us through the crisis IronLionZion Mar 2020 #20
KnR. Bernie is looking like a reality TV star, since he just wants to keep the cameras R B Garr Mar 2020 #22
That is a very selfish and destructive strategy. MineralMan Mar 2020 #24
Hell.. all of Sanders surrogates, supporters & Sanders would be calling for Cha Mar 2020 #25
I haven't been convinced Biden can win booley Mar 2020 #27
Perhaps you won't be convinced of that until MineralMan Mar 2020 #29
My view is, Biden would have congratulated Bernie on Super Tuesday and rolled it up ucrdem Mar 2020 #30
Me too. In fact, before SC Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #31
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