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ramen

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25. Are we really doing this?
Sat Mar 14, 2020, 09:33 AM
Mar 2020
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Service

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_and_Social_Care_in_Northern_Ireland

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beveridge_Report this covers the Nordic countries

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_South_Korea

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_the_healthcare_systems_in_Canada_and_the_United_States

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Taiwan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany

That's all the time I have before going to work here, but the point is clear, hopefully. Note the details of how much public vs private funding makes up each country's system, and especially note cost of healthcare as expressed by portion of GDP. Said another way: note that the lower few countries on this list of links do incorporate private insurance but in a far, far more intelligently and compassionately limited way than we do in this country.

I simply have never heard an argument about how the current health care system in this country is A) worth it compared to more modern approach consistent with economically powerful western countries, B) a more efficient use of the money it costs here at an UNBELIEVABLE 17.7 PERCENT of GDP but wherein medical bankruptcy is not rare with serious diseases or simply bad luck about what town you are in when you have a serious and urgent medical event, let alone all the more sadly boring examples of insufficient access to care, or C) unattainable by enough people in this country.

Hell, let's drop your vaunted Switzerland's numbers in to compare: with their compulsory purchase of private health insurance, they are the second highest in the WORLD. Want to guess which country they are second to?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Switzerland
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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A big, fat K&R! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2020 #1
Time for senator sanders to go home Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #2
past time...for Sanders to concede. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #3
I teach these college kids. I love these kids, but... B Stieg Mar 2020 #4
I know one person is a small sample. Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #6
If she Rebl2 Mar 2020 #10
Even in a primary? What State? Context would KPN Mar 2020 #12
In California. Never voted in any election. Still. Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #15
Are they even registered? House of Roberts Mar 2020 #7
Hillary gave BS Concessions in the General Election Cha Mar 2020 #5
It's all right. His progressive message was received & noted. rickyhall Mar 2020 #8
Such a terrible person to believe mountain grammy Mar 2020 #11
Exactly. They want to call it communism, but is it that much different than The New Deal? rickyhall Mar 2020 #13
Exactly. mountain grammy Mar 2020 #20
Yup. How could we take him seriously as a candidate? How naive, if not outright foolish KPN Mar 2020 #16
I understand why people are unhappy Skittles Mar 2020 #9
Or Biden. I still like Senator Warren. rickyhall Mar 2020 #14
yup Skittles Mar 2020 #21
Democrats seem to be more objective and vote for proven performance, Joe had that imperfectly in uponit7771 Mar 2020 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author KPN Mar 2020 #18
I know you don't like the guy, and you're far from alone, ramen Mar 2020 #17
Thank you for your honesty. KPN Mar 2020 #19
Sanders' agenda: Its cost -- possibly $60 trillion -- would set a peacetime US record - CNNPolitics Gothmog Mar 2020 #22
Switzerland rejects single-payer in landslide, keeps its version of Obamacare Gothmog Mar 2020 #24
Are we really doing this? ramen Mar 2020 #25
LOL-the real world is a nice place and sanders cannot pay for his program in the real world Gothmog Mar 2020 #30
sanders totally failed in getting his plan adopted in Vermont Gothmog Mar 2020 #31
I presume the countries I listed upthread in the message you ignored entirely ramen Mar 2020 #33
LOL at someone quoting wikipedia on this issue Gothmog Mar 2020 #34
Why has sanders refused or failed to tell us what his magical plan costs? Gothmog Mar 2020 #35
Cool, ok, so the talking-past-repliers behavior is not an exception but is your rule ramen Mar 2020 #36
The study cited is amusing but does not help your case Gothmog Mar 2020 #39
Have you seen BSs new campaign ad? Apparently its showing non-stop Squinch Mar 2020 #26
No.. goddamn it. Any link? ramen Mar 2020 #27
. Squinch Mar 2020 #28
Florida will be interesting Gothmog Mar 2020 #32
This is an unflattering use of Biden's words.. ramen Mar 2020 #37
sanders ad was rated false and is bogus given sanders proposed Social Security cuts Gothmog Mar 2020 #40
K&R betsuni Mar 2020 #29
Biden is leading sanders by a 2 to 1 margin Gothmog Mar 2020 #38
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