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In reply to the discussion: The Gauzy Myth of the Sanders Campaign [View all]Gothmog
(168,483 posts)22. Sanders' agenda: Its cost -- possibly $60 trillion -- would set a peacetime US record - CNNPolitics
The real world is a nice place and in the real world you have to be able to pay for programs. sanders has zero significant legislative accomplishments because non of his fellow Democrats believe in adopting programs that cannot be paid for.
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Sanders' plan, though all of its costs cannot be precisely quantified, would increase government spending as a share of the economy far more than the New Deal under President Franklin Roosevelt, the Great Society under Lyndon Johnson or the agenda proposed by any recent Democratic presidential nominee, including liberal George McGovern in 1972, according to a historical analysis shared with CNN by Larry Summers, the former chief White House economic adviser for Barack Obama and treasury secretary for Bill Clinton.
Sanders' plan would also increase the size of government far more than any modern Republican president, including Ronald Reagan, has sought to cut it, Summers' analysis concluded.
"On the spending side, ... this is far more radical than all previous presidencies, on either the right or the left," Summers said in an interview. "The Sanders spending increase is roughly 2.5 times the size of the New Deal and the estimated fiscal impact of George McGovern's campaign proposals. This is six times as large of a growth of government than any of the Ronald Reagan dismemberments. We are in a kind of new era of radical proposal."
Exact cost projections on all of Sanders' proposals aren't available, in part because he hasn't fully fleshed out some of the ideas he's embraced (such as universal pre-K and child care). But a wide variety of estimates put the likely cost of the single-payer health care plan he has endorsed around $30 trillion or more over the next decade. Depending on the estimates used, including projections from his own campaign, the other elements of the Sanders agenda -- ranging from his "Green New Deal" to the cancellation of all student debt to a guaranteed federal jobs program that has received almost no scrutiny -- could cost about as much, or even more than, the single-payer plan. That would potentially bring his 10-year total for new spending to around $60 trillion, or more.
Sanders' plan would also increase the size of government far more than any modern Republican president, including Ronald Reagan, has sought to cut it, Summers' analysis concluded.
"On the spending side, ... this is far more radical than all previous presidencies, on either the right or the left," Summers said in an interview. "The Sanders spending increase is roughly 2.5 times the size of the New Deal and the estimated fiscal impact of George McGovern's campaign proposals. This is six times as large of a growth of government than any of the Ronald Reagan dismemberments. We are in a kind of new era of radical proposal."
Exact cost projections on all of Sanders' proposals aren't available, in part because he hasn't fully fleshed out some of the ideas he's embraced (such as universal pre-K and child care). But a wide variety of estimates put the likely cost of the single-payer health care plan he has endorsed around $30 trillion or more over the next decade. Depending on the estimates used, including projections from his own campaign, the other elements of the Sanders agenda -- ranging from his "Green New Deal" to the cancellation of all student debt to a guaranteed federal jobs program that has received almost no scrutiny -- could cost about as much, or even more than, the single-payer plan. That would potentially bring his 10-year total for new spending to around $60 trillion, or more.
It is hard to take sanders seriously when he has zero legislative accomplishments and his magical voter revolution has flopped.
As for respect, I was a delegate to the National Convention and saw far too much of sanders and his supporters. Delegates to a national convention are vetted by the campaigns because these delegates are official representatives of the campaign and the candidate. I know that I was vetted and I helped vet other delegates.
I saw what happened there up close. sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. I also heard a Georgia delegate complain about sanders refusal to stop these planned stunts.
I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Hillary Clinton and change our votes to sanders.
sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his vetted delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.
Finally a group of sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. Again sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and sanders refused
Texas and Georgia shared a bus from our hotels to the convention site. There were some really pissed off members of the Georgia delegation after John Lewis and Stacy Abrams were both booed as part of planned stunts by sanders vetted delegates. If sanders stays in until the Georgia primary it will be interesting to see if sanders makes the 15% threshold.
As for volunteering, I will be active with Lawyers for Biden the Texas state party on voter protection efforts.

primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Exactly. They want to call it communism, but is it that much different than The New Deal?
rickyhall
Mar 2020
#13
Yup. How could we take him seriously as a candidate? How naive, if not outright foolish
KPN
Mar 2020
#16
Democrats seem to be more objective and vote for proven performance, Joe had that imperfectly in
uponit7771
Mar 2020
#23
Sanders' agenda: Its cost -- possibly $60 trillion -- would set a peacetime US record - CNNPolitics
Gothmog
Mar 2020
#22
LOL-the real world is a nice place and sanders cannot pay for his program in the real world
Gothmog
Mar 2020
#30
Cool, ok, so the talking-past-repliers behavior is not an exception but is your rule
ramen
Mar 2020
#36
sanders ad was rated false and is bogus given sanders proposed Social Security cuts
Gothmog
Mar 2020
#40