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Gothmog

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22. Sanders' agenda: Its cost -- possibly $60 trillion -- would set a peacetime US record - CNNPolitics
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 11:44 PM
Mar 2020

The real world is a nice place and in the real world you have to be able to pay for programs. sanders has zero significant legislative accomplishments because non of his fellow Democrats believe in adopting programs that cannot be paid for.




Sanders' plan, though all of its costs cannot be precisely quantified, would increase government spending as a share of the economy far more than the New Deal under President Franklin Roosevelt, the Great Society under Lyndon Johnson or the agenda proposed by any recent Democratic presidential nominee, including liberal George McGovern in 1972, according to a historical analysis shared with CNN by Larry Summers, the former chief White House economic adviser for Barack Obama and treasury secretary for Bill Clinton.

Sanders' plan would also increase the size of government far more than any modern Republican president, including Ronald Reagan, has sought to cut it, Summers' analysis concluded.

"On the spending side, ... this is far more radical than all previous presidencies, on either the right or the left," Summers said in an interview. "The Sanders spending increase is roughly 2.5 times the size of the New Deal and the estimated fiscal impact of George McGovern's campaign proposals. This is six times as large of a growth of government than any of the Ronald Reagan dismemberments. We are in a kind of new era of radical proposal."

Exact cost projections on all of Sanders' proposals aren't available, in part because he hasn't fully fleshed out some of the ideas he's embraced (such as universal pre-K and child care). But a wide variety of estimates put the likely cost of the single-payer health care plan he has endorsed around $30 trillion or more over the next decade. Depending on the estimates used, including projections from his own campaign, the other elements of the Sanders agenda -- ranging from his "Green New Deal" to the cancellation of all student debt to a guaranteed federal jobs program that has received almost no scrutiny -- could cost about as much, or even more than, the single-payer plan. That would potentially bring his 10-year total for new spending to around $60 trillion, or more.

It is hard to take sanders seriously when he has zero legislative accomplishments and his magical voter revolution has flopped.

As for respect, I was a delegate to the National Convention and saw far too much of sanders and his supporters. Delegates to a national convention are vetted by the campaigns because these delegates are official representatives of the campaign and the candidate. I know that I was vetted and I helped vet other delegates.

I saw what happened there up close. sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. I also heard a Georgia delegate complain about sanders refusal to stop these planned stunts.

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Hillary Clinton and change our votes to sanders.




sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his vetted delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

Finally a group of sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. Again sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and sanders refused

Texas and Georgia shared a bus from our hotels to the convention site. There were some really pissed off members of the Georgia delegation after John Lewis and Stacy Abrams were both booed as part of planned stunts by sanders vetted delegates. If sanders stays in until the Georgia primary it will be interesting to see if sanders makes the 15% threshold.

As for volunteering, I will be active with Lawyers for Biden the Texas state party on voter protection efforts.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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A big, fat K&R! CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2020 #1
Time for senator sanders to go home Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #2
past time...for Sanders to concede. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #3
I teach these college kids. I love these kids, but... B Stieg Mar 2020 #4
I know one person is a small sample. Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #6
If she Rebl2 Mar 2020 #10
Even in a primary? What State? Context would KPN Mar 2020 #12
In California. Never voted in any election. Still. Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #15
Are they even registered? House of Roberts Mar 2020 #7
Hillary gave BS Concessions in the General Election Cha Mar 2020 #5
It's all right. His progressive message was received & noted. rickyhall Mar 2020 #8
Such a terrible person to believe mountain grammy Mar 2020 #11
Exactly. They want to call it communism, but is it that much different than The New Deal? rickyhall Mar 2020 #13
Exactly. mountain grammy Mar 2020 #20
Yup. How could we take him seriously as a candidate? How naive, if not outright foolish KPN Mar 2020 #16
I understand why people are unhappy Skittles Mar 2020 #9
Or Biden. I still like Senator Warren. rickyhall Mar 2020 #14
yup Skittles Mar 2020 #21
Democrats seem to be more objective and vote for proven performance, Joe had that imperfectly in uponit7771 Mar 2020 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author KPN Mar 2020 #18
I know you don't like the guy, and you're far from alone, ramen Mar 2020 #17
Thank you for your honesty. KPN Mar 2020 #19
Sanders' agenda: Its cost -- possibly $60 trillion -- would set a peacetime US record - CNNPolitics Gothmog Mar 2020 #22
Switzerland rejects single-payer in landslide, keeps its version of Obamacare Gothmog Mar 2020 #24
Are we really doing this? ramen Mar 2020 #25
LOL-the real world is a nice place and sanders cannot pay for his program in the real world Gothmog Mar 2020 #30
sanders totally failed in getting his plan adopted in Vermont Gothmog Mar 2020 #31
I presume the countries I listed upthread in the message you ignored entirely ramen Mar 2020 #33
LOL at someone quoting wikipedia on this issue Gothmog Mar 2020 #34
Why has sanders refused or failed to tell us what his magical plan costs? Gothmog Mar 2020 #35
Cool, ok, so the talking-past-repliers behavior is not an exception but is your rule ramen Mar 2020 #36
The study cited is amusing but does not help your case Gothmog Mar 2020 #39
Have you seen BSs new campaign ad? Apparently its showing non-stop Squinch Mar 2020 #26
No.. goddamn it. Any link? ramen Mar 2020 #27
. Squinch Mar 2020 #28
Florida will be interesting Gothmog Mar 2020 #32
This is an unflattering use of Biden's words.. ramen Mar 2020 #37
sanders ad was rated false and is bogus given sanders proposed Social Security cuts Gothmog Mar 2020 #40
K&R betsuni Mar 2020 #29
Biden is leading sanders by a 2 to 1 margin Gothmog Mar 2020 #38
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