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Sloumeau

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24. The Spanish flu killed an estimate 50 million people.
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 07:06 PM
Mar 2020
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html]

The 1918 influenza pandemic was the most severe pandemic in recent history. It was caused by an H1N1 virus with genes of avian origin. Although there is not universal consensus regarding where the virus originated, it spread worldwide during 1918-1919. In the United States, it was first identified in military personnel in spring 1918. It is estimated that about 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States.
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Researchers believe the 1918 flu spared older people because they had some immunity to it. They theorize that decades earlier there had been a version of that virus, one that was not as lethal and spread like an ordinary flu. The older people living in 1918 would have been exposed to that less lethal flu and developed antibodies. As for children, most viral illnesses — measles, chickenpox — are more deadly in young adults, which may explain why the youngest were spared in the 1918 epidemic.

Regardless of the reason, it was a disaster for life expectancy, which plummeted. In 1917, life expectancy in the United States was 51 years. It was the same in 1919. But in 1918, it was just 39 years.


The Spanish flu killed people in their 20-40's much more often than older Americans because it was similar to an earlier flu that many people were exposed to. Coronavirus is new, so older Americans have no special immunity to it. We can keep keep the death rate lower than the Spanish flu with testing, the less testing, the worse the situation will be because fewer tests mean that the disease will tend to spread faster. The death rate with Spanish flu was similar to coronavirus--2.5% for Spanish flu and somewhere between 2-6% for coronavirus, where the best guess right now based on Wuhan data is 3.4%.

Again, testing is key. The less testing, the worse things get.

Seattle Mayor Jenny A. Durkan said today to Ari Melber on his MSNBC TV show "The Beat" that in Seattle area alone, Experts estimate that if they do not take sufficient action now, the estimated 1100 cases that they have right now will by April 7th become 25,000 cases and result in 400 deaths in the Seattle area alone. If we fail to do enough, the death rate will be huge.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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At some point, rw media will exploit this to no end before November empedocles Mar 2020 #1
He won't be the nominee so the Trumpers can comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #29
A lot of pol'tics is about who doesn't like who. Works to Dem advantage with empedocles Mar 2020 #31
He is right. dewsgirl Mar 2020 #2
No he isn't right!! See post #5 Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #9
Hey Bernie bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #3
He's really not exaggerating. WWII killed about 50 million I think captain queeg Mar 2020 #4
See post #5 Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #6
Ask the next person under 30 (or over 30 for that matter) Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #7
I believe Bernie was referring to U.S. military casualties in his speech, Uncle Joe Mar 2020 #8
There is so much we don't know, and I don't know the context of his statement captain queeg Mar 2020 #28
Oh FFS!! More doom from bernie! Can we leave it to the experts PLEASE!!! Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #5
Actually, Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #11
Sanders speech was not productive-pointless. Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #14
I didn't hear his speech. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #15
Sanders turned his speech into a campaign speech...not much different than his usual stuff... Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #17
My summary of his speech: Mr.Bill Mar 2020 #23
The Spanish flu killed an estimate 50 million people. Sloumeau Mar 2020 #24
That's not helpful frazzled Mar 2020 #10
A bit extreme. George II Mar 2020 #12
Did he have any useful ideas? Didn't think so...just his usual inequality stuff...Biden on the Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #13
Excellent plan Bernie. BeckyDem Mar 2020 #16
If Sanders is so inspiring, why didn't the youth come out to vote? New video game come out? n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #19
He needs to retire to Vermont. Zeus69 Mar 2020 #18
He has 3 lawns to cut to keep him busy. n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #20
Frances president said its the most serious health emergency France has faced in 100 years. nt yaesu Mar 2020 #21
I'm afraid we are in for some tough times my friend. Uncle Joe Mar 2020 #22
I agree & it is slowly sinking in. nt yaesu Mar 2020 #25
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His campaign staff pushes debunked, doctored videos about Biden's "dementia". TwilightZone Mar 2020 #27
You're right of course. redqueen Mar 2020 #30
For fucks sake, he reaps what he sows. MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #32
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