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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
25. Crisis but not like 2008
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 01:25 AM
Mar 2020

Nearly 8 months from election day and still tons of uncertainty. The number of cases will rise and the markets will continue to plunge. That's the next 2 months or so. Beyond that and I'm not confident which direction this goes. Not enough data from other countries or any similar recent virus.

I know people don't want to hear this but it's not impossible Trump ends up looking good coming out of this. All of these canceled events from the NCAA and NBA, etc. actually work in his favor if the numbers fall well shy of some of the extreme projections. Once we're in summer and this thing is seen as "contained" then the market rebounds and Trump is chirping wildly as his approval goes back up. It briefly reached 44.6% on 538 about a month ago.

In 2008 Bush had been stuck in very low sustained approval since Katrina in August 2005. There were obvious problems with declining home sales. The Fed stepped in several times with various measures. But it wasn't until mid September with the Lehman Brothers bankruptcy that the market began to plunge as global panic triggered. Obama was going to win anyway but that exploded the margin. We were never going to win states like North Carolina and Indiana minus the financial crisis.

If this were mid September 2020 instead of mid March then I would share the confidence about Trump's fate. Eight months away I can't do anything of the sort. I always default to the situational landscape as vastly more significant than anything else. Variables capture attention in both directions but that incumbency only works one way, as extreme benefit of a doubt especially if the party has only been in power one term.

Trump's approval rating is all that matters. I don't care about the vice presidential nominee or turnout or Sanders supporters or anything else in comparison to where that number is on election day.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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I would also add that we are now in a crisis much like 2008 Yavin4 Mar 2020 #1
Crisis but not like 2008 Awsi Dooger Mar 2020 #25
I totally agree NYMinute Mar 2020 #2
But I think he should be accommodating lees1975 Mar 2020 #3
he should do it because it is the right thing to do questionseverything Mar 2020 #23
I disagree. If Biden does nothing else on the Democratic platform OnDoutside Mar 2020 #26
Exactly.. Hillary made concessions and it wasn't even appreciated Cha Mar 2020 #4
The more attention they got the more demanding and aggressive they were. showblue22 Mar 2020 #6
Yeah, so I have no more patience. BS didn't "win" Cha Mar 2020 #9
This is 100% right showblue22 Mar 2020 #5
BS even got cornel west on the planform and he Cha Mar 2020 #10
I remember showblue22 Mar 2020 #15
Amen! Cha Mar 2020 #16
I totally agree with what you are saying, as usual!!! winstars Mar 2020 #7
he needs to explain how his policies address their needs questionseverything Mar 2020 #24
Nonsense. Who do you want, Biden or Trump? Jarqui Mar 2020 #8
If they don't get it, tough. I believe Sanders' supporters are smart, and get it. Hoyt Mar 2020 #11
I think its a balance Demguy81 Mar 2020 #12
When did voting become like choosing a spouse? sop Mar 2020 #13
Agreed squirecam Mar 2020 #14
Agree. ismnotwasm Mar 2020 #17
Excellent analysis PJMcK Mar 2020 #18
Biden needs to be true to himself and true to the American people. That's what got him here. Midnight Writer Mar 2020 #19
I agree. As i've said elsewhere, the 2 traits of Bernie's young supporters onetexan Mar 2020 #20
+10000 EXACTLY!! Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #21
Like me... I expect the overwhelming majority will happily vote for Joe Ohio Joe Mar 2020 #22
??? JackSabbath Mar 2020 #27
Let Joe be Joe blue-wave Mar 2020 #28
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