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calimary

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11. If it helps, Doctor_J, just remind yourself that you're voting for a Supreme Court picker.
Sun Mar 15, 2015, 12:58 PM
Mar 2015

That boils it down to the very most basic, for me.

I'm DAMNED if I'm EVER gonna vote for a CON to do that! If you have ANY doubts at all, just stop and consider for even a moment - what we get when we have a republi-CON picking Supreme Court justices. Enjoying the reign of terror of the scalia gang? How 'bout the clarence thomas wing of the scalia gang? And their fun new pals, john roberts and samuel alito? How 'bout them? We did NOT get those nominees from ANY Democratic President. Those came from the CONS. Which gave us Citizens United. Which gave us Hobby Lobby. Which gave us the gutting of the Civil Rights Act. And that's okay?

One can be okay with that - when one decides to sit this one out because one was forced to accept the good rather than the perfect?

Now, I FULLY GET your post - how you will indeed vote for the Democratic nominee when all is said and done. Even if it's Hillary. But please understand. I don't like it either. I'd love a full-on Elizabeth Warren-type President. I voted for Howard Dean back in the day, and I STILL think he would have been better than John Kerry and he might even have been elected President. But I voted for Kerry because I wanted the White House back from bush/cheney and their Famous Dancing War Criminal Revue. I'm wondering if enough Dems stayed home and pouted then, too, so that we didn't get enough of a leg up to make it impossible to steal. It's clear that they stole the 2000 election. There are many of us, myself included, who also are convinced they stole 2004. BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO GET CLOSE ENOUGH. And they had a willing accomplice in kenneth blackwell in Ohio, the same way they had a willing accomplice in katherine harris in Florida four years earlier. Both willing accomplices with the identical glaring conflicts of interest, too, as both secretaries-of-state AND state campaign chairs.

I understand you plan to vote for the Dem nominee. And I'm glad. But we all have to do that. And make damn sure we get out there and vote.

Call me paranoid, but as a woman, I fear that the bad guys are looking at MY right to vote and wondering how soon they can go for that, too. They certainly had no hesitation to go after the African Americans' right to vote. And the Latinos' right to vote. And too many of them, some of their women included (!!!!!!!), have actually voiced their opposition to a woman's right not just to choose but to VOTE. And all of that is enabled if OUR SIDE pouts, stays home, goes milquetoast, doesn't fight, drags their heels, and does little to help keep the bad guys OUT of the White House.

It's going to take enthusiasm and fire - on EVERYONE's behalf. Even those who didn't get quite the gift they wanted from primary season. It just comes down to THAT. I simply do NOT want the GOP picking the next Supreme Court justices. PERIOD. ANY way you slice it, a Dem is extremely unlikely to pick a SCOTUS nominee who'd further erode the Voting Rights Act, or be okay with overturning the ACA, or then go on to dismantle what's left of Roe v Wade.

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Time for Change [View all] rhett o rick Mar 2015 OP
k&r whereisjustice Mar 2015 #1
People are fearful, not hopeful. They'll accept a Clinton for fear of a Bush. NYC_SKP Mar 2015 #2
That is where I'm at. I'll fight with everything I have against hrc until she's Doctor_J Mar 2015 #3
If it helps, Doctor_J, just remind yourself that you're voting for a Supreme Court picker. calimary Mar 2015 #11
Amen..... daleanime Mar 2015 #21
Then those that we oppose have already won. They don't have to do anything different TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #42
While the fear of Bush might explain some of it, it's also the fear of change. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #6
+100 appalachiablue Mar 2015 #12
Fear of Change Martin Eden Mar 2015 #16
Fear works for the repubs, not for the dems n2doc Mar 2015 #9
We would have been better off rephrasing that fear of a R majority to hope that a Democratic jwirr Mar 2015 #18
And someone who won't get anthraxed. nt valerief Mar 2015 #4
Or whose car won't accidently run into a tree at high speed. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #7
pretending to be morally pure. stonecutter357 Mar 2015 #5
Who is "pretending to be morally pure."? and how does that relate to the OP? nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #10
I think it is like Hodur saying nothing but "Hodur" That gibberish Dragonfli Mar 2015 #35
Means not being an amoral unprincipled fuck lacking all consistency as far as I can tell. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #43
How do we galvanize the people so they vote that way? treestar Mar 2015 #8
I disagree that most people are satisfied with their lot. I don't know what circles you rhett o rick Mar 2015 #13
You know these people treestar Mar 2015 #25
I miss Time for Change. OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #14
I agree. I didn't notice that my subject was the name of a previous DU'er until after I posted. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #15
He said he will be posting sometime soon. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #44
Huzzah! OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #45
Agree 100%. Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2015 #17
We do need another FDR but right now I would be happy with an Eisenhower. n/t A Simple Game Mar 2015 #24
THIS is the absolutely best thread I have seen in a long long time. Thank everyone who has posted. jwirr Mar 2015 #19
I'll jump on the band wagon as soon as an "electable" change candidate announces. Fla Dem Mar 2015 #20
K&R kacekwl Mar 2015 #22
We May Need More Options colsohlibgal Mar 2015 #23
Hmmm ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #26
Let me try to guess your point. Since most of us get paid from some corporation rhett o rick Mar 2015 #27
It seems to me you are trying to find something in my post to be OUTRAGED about. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #29
Quite the contrary. Seems to me you were trying to rationalize that bribery rhett o rick Mar 2015 #30
Only in your head ... Only in your head ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #31
Apparently I failed to grasp what you were trying to insinuate. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #32
Yes ... You did. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #33
There are still government employees aspirant Mar 2015 #28
Don't forget the unemployed. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #34
Elizabeth Warren has the buzz, the zeitgeist, the energy Dems to Win Mar 2015 #36
I think the risk is high for her. The Democratic Party Machine will back H. Clinton. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #37
Agreed. I won't blame Liz, I'll blame the Dem leadership Dems to Win Mar 2015 #40
K&R through the roof marym625 Mar 2015 #38
Time Has Come Today Alkene Mar 2015 #39
Yes, we need someone who is independent of the powers who currently run our country Time for change Mar 2015 #41
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