Populist Reform of the Democratic Party

merrily

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133. Your Reply 123 did address my question.

Tue Jan 13, 2015, 04:13 AM

Jan 2015

I think I got clear by my reply 101, but then went astray.

This is my current understanding:

Apart from history, "Social Security" is a name commonly used today for the program also known as OASDI. Conversely, "OASDI" is a somewhat less common term for the program known as as also as Social Security.

As constituted today, they are both one and the same program; and OASDI is different from the SSI program.

All that I have long known. The bit I learned today was that SSDI is becoming a common way to refer to the disability component of OASDI/Social Security, which is what I was trying to say in my reply 101. And, again, I thank you for setting me straight on that part because, as my posts made obvious, I thought SSDI was a reference to the disability component of the SSI program, not of the OASDI/Social Security program.

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Elizabeth Warren's response to Third Way Criticisms: 'Oh Please' [View all] sabrina 1 Jan 2015 OP

A big, fat K&R! CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2015 #1

HRC = Third Way = DLC = Disaster cantbeserious Jan 2015 #2

Yep. HRC = disaster peacebird Jan 2015 #67

I just read this steaming pile of propaganda.The writer knows how to demonize someone. easychoice Jan 2015 #3

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I'm in. I'll do it. tblue Jan 2015 #6

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#OhPlease is perfect! tblue Jan 2015 #8

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Found his twitter account and am following him. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #13

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so true...the more eyes she opens, the more screechy they're gonna get. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2015 #68

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They are so worried about her popularity they blew their own cover. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #16

They do get resentful when... Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #71

Nice tie-in there. Third Way = Third World America. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #19

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K&R. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #15

kick rec Teamster Jeff Jan 2015 #17

Huge K & R!!! Thanks sabrina!! RiverLover Jan 2015 #18

Our nation only has one financial problem .... Scuba Jan 2015 #20

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I'm sure they don't see themselves as criminals... Demeter Jan 2015 #26

Yep, evidence of our continued state of denial! :) cascadiance Jan 2015 #28

Warren fights back. Why did we have to wait for HER to come along, why haven't we sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #44

We need more like her to take the pressure off her. Better believe the Oligarch Rulers have her rhett o rick Jan 2015 #49

K&R think Jan 2015 #21

And here is what they believe will cow and discourage and divide us: djean111 Jan 2015 #23

Consistent with the goal of making Social Security needs based, then eliminating it entirely, merrily Jan 2015 #29

Already, here at DU, I have started reading posts which assert that SSDI and Florida children's djean111 Jan 2015 #31

(*This post is wrong.) Unlike Social Security (aka OASDI), SSDI (aka SSI) is a welfare program. merrily Jan 2015 #33

And I firmly believe that, at least here in Florida, any purported fraud by poor people djean111 Jan 2015 #35

Most likely, welfare fraud is petty cash compared to all kinds of defrauding the merrily Jan 2015 #36

Yep. My point exactly. djean111 Jan 2015 #37

If you think about it some, wasn't the entire effort to 'contain' communism, from merrily Jan 2015 #38

Right now, thinking about it, maybe all of history is just protecting assets. n/t djean111 Jan 2015 #41

I agree as to our history, anyway. merrily Jan 2015 #73

When the rich defraud, it's called good business. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #50

And when govt helps them, it's called good government. merrily Jan 2015 #72

I got your fraud right here easychoice Jan 2015 #65

You are right. Most of the fraud IS by these private institutions. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #47

No, ssdi is NOT a welfare program. ssi is. they're NOT the same thing. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #92

ssdi is *not* a 'welfare program,' and its not the same thing as ssi, which *is* a 'welfare program" ND-Dem Jan 2015 #91

(*This post is wrong) SSDI is a welfare program. merrily Jan 2015 #93

Read the link again. It says very clearly that you have to have paid into the social security ND-Dem Jan 2015 #98

(*This post is still wrong!) Okay, I got it. Yes, Social Security and SSDI seem to be merrily Jan 2015 #101

Not quite: ND-Dem Jan 2015 #104

Now I will edit my edit. (Luckily for me, I've only edited one post so far.) merrily Jan 2015 #106

thanks for listening. it's a very common mistake, so much so that i fear the close naming ND-Dem Jan 2015 #109

A lot of mistakes around this and I am sorry to have been part of it. merrily Jan 2015 #112

OASDI IS 'social security' and includes SSDI. that's why it's called "old age, survivors, and ND-Dem Jan 2015 #116

Yes, I do know what OASDI stands for, but wasn't it called OASDI before SSDI merrily Jan 2015 #117

no. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #118

That was not my question. merrily Jan 2015 #120

i answered your question. you didn't read the answer well. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #123

Your Reply 123 did address my question. merrily Jan 2015 #133

123 copied a section of post 118. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #137

No democrat would even suggest that. So if there are people here making those statements, sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #45

Yes, bearing in mind that well-designed propaganda sometimes works. merrily Jan 2015 #115

I agree with that. I thought it might be a good idea when I first heard it also. I thought it should sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #122

Sorry for my errors, djean111. Please see my revised reply to you. merrily Jan 2015 #108

Exactly! The deception is beyond belief especially when you know how much influence sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #39

I'm glad you picked out that nonsense. This is how they deceive the public, with half truths like sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #32

the 'most wealthy' don't get so much social security anyway. it's the upper middle that does. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #119

I know that which is why it is so despicable of him to try to deceive people into thinking Warren sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #124

and there's a cap on benefits, even if he were drawing the biggest wage in the world. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #126

If Dimon's SS benefits would increase, aspirant Jan 2015 #42

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Jan 2015 #76

Sadly fredamae Jan 2015 #24

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Yeah-Rahm fredamae Jan 2015 #43

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15 Dems Decide Fate of Country? fredamae Jan 2015 #48

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It's hard to swallow fredamae Jan 2015 #55

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Interesting phrase by TPM: "the progressive Wall Street-backed group" merrily Jan 2015 #27

There will, of course, be an effort to smear or denigrate or change the perceived meaning of djean111 Jan 2015 #30

I try to stay away from the term "progressive" because it means very different things to merrily Jan 2015 #34

Good idea. Maedhros Jan 2015 #51

Kick. Great post. riqster Jan 2015 #53

Be nice if she weren't the only one saying this.... vi5 Jan 2015 #54

Well Bernie is saying it, but he's not a Democrat. Not sure about anyone else. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #58

Ha! Good one. vi5 Jan 2015 #59

Dues anybody know what the projection is if you LIFT THE CAP ? randys1 Jan 2015 #56

It would help, but on its own wouldn't be enough. However it would increase the fund sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #57

according to those who make such projections, it still won't cover the shortfall. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #125

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #60

Maybe this kind of thing will help motivate Warren to run (n/t) thesquanderer Jan 2015 #61

k and r nashville_brook Jan 2015 #62

Thank you, Sabrina. K&R antiquie Jan 2015 #66

mark to return to rurallib Jan 2015 #69

Abolish the "Wrong Way"!!! supercats Jan 2015 #74

Mark my words: If Hillary runs ...she will lose. L0oniX Jan 2015 #75

lose. RiverLover Jan 2015 #77

Wikipedia sez Voice for Peace Jan 2015 #78

For those complaining about the 1% getting everything the reforms suggested by the Third Way Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #79

That is a terrible idea and the only reason they want to do that, is to turn the program into a sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #81

You always bitch about the rich, here is something in which the rich does not need to receive and Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #89

You have TOTALLY misunderstood what I wrote. SS is NOT a welfare program. It is a retirement sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #114

^^^There they are now!!^^^ RiverLover Jan 2015 #80

When will Hillary start talking like this? Omaha Steve Jan 2015 #82

"a few adjustments" sounds like weasel words to me. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #84

No, they are not weasel words, she is exactly right. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #86

if you know all this, what would those 'few adjustments' be? and i tell you, i stopped ND-Dem Jan 2015 #87

First stop sending US jobs overseas. Create jobs here and remove tax breaks from Big Corps which sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #95

GREAT post. nt RiverLover Jan 2015 #134

Raising the cap, plain and simple 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #97

The cap is raised nearly every year. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #100

To adjust for inflation 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #103

it's not the case that the cap is raised only to cover inflation. it was once raised to ND-Dem Jan 2015 #113

86% reduction of SS deficit is not bad. 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #138

completely eliminating the cap wouldn't fix the problem, because the problem has been ND-Dem Jan 2015 #139

Senator Sanders disagrees with you 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #140

I gave you the data from Urban League and it's not the only group saying that even totally ND-Dem Jan 2015 #141

Well then why do you insist on splitting hairs with me about raising the cap 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #142

ah yes, the 75-year window. you don't know much about the issue, do you? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #143

So you're calling Sanders' wanting to raise the cap "bullshit"? 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #144

ok by me. i can hear what you're saying on any mainstream news outlet so not very informative. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #145

I suspect I may hear what you're saying on FOX 'news' 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #146

sure monkey. on fox news they're always claiming that social security projections showing ND-Dem Jan 2015 #147

I think we're just not communicating very well 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #148

it happens especially when you say your codiscussant gets talking points from fox news. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #149

Perhaps 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #150

as i told you, you didn't hear about my plan because i don't buy the "social security is going ND-Dem Jan 2015 #151

So far I'm with you 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #152

Want to help keep SS solvent Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #153

Tell that to ND-Dem. 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #154

Can't reason people out of what they feel is right Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #155

"The forecasts are fixed" can mean a lot of things 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #156

good point. Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #157

Why do you think Sanders is proposing to raise the cap, if there's nothing to fix? 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #158

Since you are not quoting Sen. Warren, who didn't say that at all, WTF are you talking about? BeanMusical Jan 2015 #88

no, "modest adjustments" and "a few adjustments" are oceans apart in meaning. sue me. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #90

Yeah, right. BeanMusical Jan 2015 #94

tell me what the 'modest' adjustments needed are, since you're an expert. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #99

Oh no, it's you who's the expert. BeanMusical Jan 2015 #111

You're the one who thinks there's a vast difference between modest adjustments and a few ND-Dem Jan 2015 #127

It's also weasely aspirant Jan 2015 #128

Since I don't accept the projections as presented, I'm under no obligation to present ND-Dem Jan 2015 #129

NO NO NO aspirant Jan 2015 #130

i don't have to apologize to you for anything. I stated very clearly what ND-Dem Jan 2015 #131

Apoligize to the OP aspirant Jan 2015 #132

... RiverLover Jan 2015 #135

Social Security is going to be the ONLY money coming in for a majority of Americans.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #96

even in the good years, SS was the sole source of income for about 1/3 of retirees and ND-Dem Jan 2015 #107

Some of these assholes wanting to trash it make money by flapping their gums to fellow assholes. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #110

flapping ones gums in the service of the rich = it pays well. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #121

K&R'd! and Bookmarked. snot Jan 2015 #105

Elizabeth will win in a landslide. And she is running. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #136