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JCanete

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25. No. if they hacked the machines, yes. And if Trump committed treason, then I hope we throw the book
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 03:26 AM
Jan 2017

Last edited Sun Jan 15, 2017, 04:43 AM - Edit history (1)

at him, but even our own party wont try, and it will still have had little to do with his win.

But American media, from television, to internet to talk radio did do so. Why does anybody believe that some fake news and some Wikileaks have the power to do this without the preponderance of consent evidenced in our own corporate messaging?

In an alternate universe where we have an actual fourth estate, there is no way 46 percent of the voting public votes in a man like Trump. For that matter, there's no way that only 56 percent of eligible voters vote, due to condoned abdication, disaffection, voter purging, election tampering, etc... You want to hand wring about a couple percent of the vote(which if stolen was still only made possible by our media here), that's fine, but that is missing the big con again.

What's sad is that this is the story Democrats want to focus on. Don't get me wrong. We should damage Trump where we can and make him look illegitimate. He is by my own metric. I'm down for that, so it's not like I don't appreciate hanging Putin's loving arms around his neck, even if all we get out of it is to make the Don look shitty, but i'm not particularly okay with our leaders helping to distract us from the shit that just lost them--US-- another election, and is going to continue to lose us elections until we start fighting back. I have a very real fear that even when we lose, our leadership would rather us not see behind the curtain to the mechanisms that delivered that loss, and that's pretty disheartening.

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Yes; I have enough evidence that I agree with you! Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #1
the thing is most of the country agrees with the op. trump is very unpopular JI7 Jan 2017 #11
It was also becasue Repubs did all they could to steal it with voter suppression and the usual Amaryllis Jan 2017 #2
That is the truth, although I don't rely on greg palast. There is enough evidence for it to be boston bean Jan 2017 #5
Depends on what the "I'm the other guy you should have voted for" has to say. baldguy Jan 2017 #3
The circumstantial evidence is now 100%. Lint Head Jan 2017 #4
Nah... Let's continue to argue about the white working class and shit /sarcasm uponit7771 Jan 2017 #6
Let's continue to divide people by color ... cliffside Jan 2017 #26
Human behavior SCIENCE... that aint gonna stop... that's NOT how humans act... PERIOD. uponit7771 Jan 2017 #31
There was stories Wellstone ruled Jan 2017 #7
Trump is not the legitimate president Gothmog Jan 2017 #8
ditto triron Jan 2017 #9
Yes. that's why she won the popular vote by such a huge amount JI7 Jan 2017 #10
At one point the night of November 8, sometime between 9 and 10 Eastern time, Clinton... George II Jan 2017 #14
I think it started happening about triron Jan 2017 #20
At one point the night of November 8, sometime between 9 and 10 Eastern time, Clinton... LenaBaby61 Jan 2017 #28
And maybe she really did have the lead. Florida has electronic voting machines pnwmom Jan 2017 #15
I voted in Florida with a paper ballot. nt cigsandcoffee Jan 2017 #17
Many part of the state use electronic, including some of the most Democratic areas. pnwmom Jan 2017 #18
Absolutely get the red out Jan 2017 #12
God I hope so ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #13
Or bathrooms... LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #16
Mathematical analysis triron Jan 2017 #19
kick LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #21
knr triron Jan 2017 #22
Nope. It appears that Russians hacked and the FBI broke protocol so close to the GE... aikoaiko Jan 2017 #23
The thing that sucks about such a razor thin loss is there are probably a dozen things ..... Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #24
Maybe not a dozen, but yes, any *one* of numerous factors could have been the difference. Garrett78 Jan 2017 #34
No. if they hacked the machines, yes. And if Trump committed treason, then I hope we throw the book JCanete Jan 2017 #25
I have some holdouts on my social media. Starry Messenger Jan 2017 #27
Uh, no. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #29
+1, "... well dammit, any other horse would've used it tail to win the election !" / sarcasm uponit7771 Jan 2017 #32
59% unfavorable ratings among registered voters. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #36
GOP Congress-led investigations fully admitted to drive her poll numbers down. Sander's smears R B Garr Jan 2017 #37
Yes UCmeNdc Jan 2017 #30
I have my doubts about any voting machine hacking. I am convinced that doc03 Jan 2017 #33
I believed it from the get go ... I would just FBI/Comey to the list etherealtruth Jan 2017 #35
Yes. ElementaryPenguin Jan 2017 #38
Not totally, no. jmg257 Jan 2017 #39
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