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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: To Sanders supporters FROM a Sanders supporter: please stop saying Bernie should've got the nom. [View all]Gothmog
(165,561 posts)15. The premise that the Sanders wing is destined to control the Democratic party is not true
This thread appears to be premised on the concept that the Sanders wing is destined to control the Democratic party.
If we were to get a dominant position in the party....
The facts are clear that the Sanders wing did not and does not represent a majority of the Democratic Party.
It also appears that an alternative explanation for the premise of this thread is that the Democratic Party has no choice but to embrace the Sanders platform due to a claim of new voters being brought into the process. The facts do not support the concept that Sanders brought in new voters. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/02/10/sorry-bernie-sanders-there-is-zero-evidence-of-your-political-revolution-yet/
Bernie Sanders recorded a resounding victory in New Hampshire's Democratic primary Tuesday. He crushed his rival, Hillary Clinton, with no less than 60 percent of the vote. If Sanders hopes not only to win the election but to achieve his ambitious progressive agenda, though, that might not be enough.
To succeed, Sanders might have to drive Americans who don't normally participate to the polls. Unfortunately for him, groups who usually do not vote did not turn out in unusually large numbers in New Hampshire, according to exit polling data.
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...As for Sanders, he credited his victory to turnout. "Because of a huge voter turnout -- and I say huge -- we won," he said in his speech declaring victory, dropping the "h" in "huge." "We harnessed the energy, and the excitement that the Democratic party will need to succeed in November."
In fact, Sanders won by persuading many habitual Democratic primary voters to support him. With 95 percent of precincts reporting their results as of Wednesday morning, just 241,000 ballots had been cast in the Democratic primary, fewer than the 268,000 projected by New Hampshire Secretary of State William Gardner last week. Nearly 289,000 voters cast ballots in the state's Democratic primary in 2008.
To succeed, Sanders might have to drive Americans who don't normally participate to the polls. Unfortunately for him, groups who usually do not vote did not turn out in unusually large numbers in New Hampshire, according to exit polling data.
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...As for Sanders, he credited his victory to turnout. "Because of a huge voter turnout -- and I say huge -- we won," he said in his speech declaring victory, dropping the "h" in "huge." "We harnessed the energy, and the excitement that the Democratic party will need to succeed in November."
In fact, Sanders won by persuading many habitual Democratic primary voters to support him. With 95 percent of precincts reporting their results as of Wednesday morning, just 241,000 ballots had been cast in the Democratic primary, fewer than the 268,000 projected by New Hampshire Secretary of State William Gardner last week. Nearly 289,000 voters cast ballots in the state's Democratic primary in 2008.
The exit polls show that this claim is false
I have worked long and hard in the Democratic Party (unlike the Sanders delegates all of the Clinton delegates were carefully vetted and had worked many years inside the party to get a chance of being a national delegate). I do not accept that concept that the Sanders wing will become the dominant faction in the party. You are welcome to try and others are going to resist your efforts by defending the traditional principles of the Democratic party including respecting the legacy of President Obama and not working to undo that legacy. I personally do not believe that the Sanders faction will be the dominant faction in the party without some major changes such repudiation of the BOBs and the Sanders delegates who booed Congressman John Lewis at the National Convention. Again I was at the National Convention and a large number of the Sanders delegates at the convention really did a major disservice to the so-called Sanders faction.
Again, the Sanders faction is welcome to try to take over the Democratic Party (or become dominant) and other members of the Democratic Party are entitled to resist such efforts. Right now, the numbers favor the traditional members of the Democratic party.
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To Sanders supporters FROM a Sanders supporter: please stop saying Bernie should've got the nom. [View all]
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
OP
Well said, but also remember that what gets said on DU has absolutely nothing to do...
TreasonousBastard
Jan 2017
#1
The DNC had nothing to do with the fact that Jewish, African American and Latino voters rejected
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#2
Hillary brought up the ghost Bobby Kennedy to justify why she was staying in the race in 2008
NWCorona
Jan 2017
#13
That never happened. She wasn't even answering a question about whether she could still win.
StevieM
Jan 2017
#17
What are you talking about? She was talking about people trying to push her out of the race
NWCorona
Jan 2017
#19
Yes, and that was a long time ago! She dropped that "ghost of Bobby Kennedy" more than a month...
George II
Jan 2017
#33
Then why bring up what she said more than a month before the convention, and a few days....
George II
Jan 2017
#36
Like I said. To show that Hillary chose to stay in the race even tho the math was against her
NWCorona
Jan 2017
#39
And Sanders chose to stay in the race ONE MONTH LONGER for the same "reason"!
George II
Jan 2017
#43
Yes he did. It didn't bother me that Hillary stayed in either. In fact it pissed me off
NWCorona
Jan 2017
#46
Well, some people as sure as hell being sore winners... i remember when Obama came in and
dionysus
Jan 2017
#98
Politically speaking that was a very long time, and Kennedy got shredded for what he did. BUT....
George II
Jan 2017
#71
But Kennedy DID withdraw before the first ballot, Sanders waited until more than halfway through....
George II
Jan 2017
#92
Sanders has been faithfully voting for Democratic leadership in the House and Senate
former9thward
Jan 2017
#93
Again with the timeline? Is that all you have because you use use it ad nauseum
NWCorona
Jan 2017
#74
"Sticking it to Trump"? Just yesterday he was lecturing Democrats that they should NOT do so.
George II
Jan 2017
#34
I said somewhere else that he's starting to look more like Joe Lieberman every day.
George II
Jan 2017
#65
Oh fuck him for that. No wonder he's been so silent on Sessions and That piece of shit from Exxon!
bettyellen
Jan 2017
#81
Sanders is not immune to criticism... he needs to stay home too, as should all Dems.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2017
#164
He's everywhere now because he's selling a book. He was no where to be found
lapucelle
Jan 2017
#155
It is no lock for Ellison, but unless things have changed, Schumer has endorsed him, and that does
still_one
Jan 2017
#86
You tell em... Bernie is the example all future Democratic candidates should follow.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jan 2017
#156
How specifically has he "stepped up to fill the leadership vacuum"? And just what is that "vacuum"?
George II
Jan 2017
#45
So then, you can't be specific or cite one single act of "leadership". I see.
George II
Jan 2017
#51
The Sanders wing is not destined to become the dominant faction in the Democratic Party
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#29
What is so sad is that you think that anyone cares about the Sanders could win thread
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#100
You posted another response to this post showing you did care about such threads.
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#108
We will need every vote we can get(and neither HRC nor Bernie will run again).
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#85
As strident a Clinton supporter as I have been, there is zero chance she is going to be the nominee
Grey Lemercier
Jan 2017
#90
IMHO, what hurt Bernie the most in the primaries was the vitriol by some of his
still_one
Jan 2017
#11
since the time I've been here, there's been vitriol on both sides, and that was pretty
JCanete
Jan 2017
#12
I understand Ken, and that was my first comment, it was not meant to reopen the
still_one
Jan 2017
#23
Are you going to keep this up until everyone even vaguely associated with the Sanders campaign
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#61
Had a long post, but in the interest of not rehashing this erased it. To going forward. nt
JCanete
Jan 2017
#22
Then just to that point, that was the focus of my first comment, which was short
still_one
Jan 2017
#25
I haven't seen any posts containing anti semitic remarks that received a lot of recommendations
still_one
Jan 2017
#95
The premise that the Sanders wing is destined to control the Democratic party is not true
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#15
The "No TPP" language was omitted from the platform in order not to embarrass a sitting Democratic
lapucelle
Jan 2017
#162
I don't know Goth. I suspect a good number of us, I know I have, edit a post because the phrasing
still_one
Jan 2017
#87
It is so hard to rise above isn't it? I kind of fell into that trap in this thread too. nt
JCanete
Jan 2017
#32
I am still thinking the majority will rule the DNC, it works better when the majority is in control.
Thinkingabout
Jan 2017
#50
Again, I'm arguing that Sanders people shouldn't be posting those threads anymore.
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#107
It's enough to say that what was done re: PP and HRC and Lewis shouldn't have been done.
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#119
If you look at the facts, sanders ran not to win the nomination but to get media coverage
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#124
The math is the math-Sanders was really effectively eliminated on Super Tuesday
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#133
If your goal is unity, then stop using a straw man and address the issues set forth on this thread
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#146
Do you understand that I was asking people to STOP posting the threads you object to?
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#149
I do not object to these threads because such threads are too silly to take seriously
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#153
Sanders hosted DSCC retreats for financial sector donors when he ran for senate.
lapucelle
Jan 2017
#166
And yet several of your fellow Sanders supporters want to claim that Sanders is the defacto ruler
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#134
I never SAID he or his supporters were destined or pre-destined and you know it.
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#139
Then tell your fellow Sanders supporters that Sanders is not the defacto ruler of the party
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#141
I didn't suggest that sanders did everything he could at the convention...
Docreed2003
Jan 2017
#147