2016 Postmortem

snowy owl

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29. I sent Feingold a fair amount of money but Johnson got more and more and more...

Sun Jan 8, 2017, 09:35 PM

Jan 2017

Is it all about money and ads? I knew Trump had a fair chance of winning but I was surprised that the nation gave the House and Senate to Republicans. So dangerous given their views on social security and medicare. I had more belief that Americans knew better than that. So where are we? That we are so red scares me plenty.

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Did Obama's strong support of the TPP up until the election harm Hillary? [View all] Akamai Jan 2017 OP

It didn't register high w voters in the polls I saw, so nope. bettyellen Jan 2017 #1

And major proponents of the TPP outperformed Trump in their respective states... Garrett78 Jan 2017 #33

Russia harmed the election. Period. Nuff said. shraby Jan 2017 #2

Sure didn't help. Schema Thing Jan 2017 #3

I'm betting down-the-road we'll appreciate Obama's support for trade. Canada's Trudea likes TPP. Hoyt Jan 2017 #4

Agreed. I think we'll learn to appreciate a lot about his vision in the next couple years. JHan Jan 2017 #8

I think it was Hillary's past support for TPP that harmed Hillary NobodyHere Jan 2017 #5

She called it the gold standard while she was Secretary of State... JHan Jan 2017 #6

They may be true NobodyHere Jan 2017 #7

Well to be fair, some provisions changed. JHan Jan 2017 #9

What provisions in TPP changed? NobodyHere Jan 2017 #10

I'm not sure, tbh I'm just guessing. JHan Jan 2017 #11

I don't see any indications of important changes in the TPP. At the same time, Akamai Jan 2017 #12

Actually, if you look there were unions, environmentalists, universities, economists, and many more Hoyt Jan 2017 #13

It wasn't all held in secret. JHan Jan 2017 #14

Don't you remember the secrecy of the TPP? with Senators, Congress Persons Akamai Jan 2017 #16

Regarding fast track: JHan Jan 2017 #19

Every major trade agreement since Nixon was negotiated in secrecy, was opposed Akamai Jan 2017 #22

Our representatitives do know: JHan Jan 2017 #23

Senators Brown, Merkley, Warren and Sanders Akamai Jan 2017 #24

And some economists do support it. JHan Jan 2017 #25

no. her suppoet for blm undocumented immigrants and refugees hurt her JI7 Jan 2017 #15

HRC and Obama should have been strong on how they felt about the TPP Rex Jan 2017 #17

Obama was very, very clear all along -- he was hugely for it although when Akamai Jan 2017 #18

The polling and interview I've seen mcar Jan 2017 #20

Look at the dislike of TPP with Trump supporters... Akamai Jan 2017 #21

thats nice, but they still voted for Kasich , johnson over feingold and portman over strickland JI7 Jan 2017 #26

Things are cumulative -- maybe they would have been more likely to vote for Hillary (I think so) if Akamai Jan 2017 #27

Hillary did better than dems who were anti trade and worst than dems who were pro trade JI7 Jan 2017 #28

I thought Hillary was a perfectly fine candidate but I Akamai Jan 2017 #32

I sent Feingold a fair amount of money but Johnson got more and more and more... snowy owl Jan 2017 #29

Wisconsin continually has elected Scott Walker for Governor JI7 Jan 2017 #30

Their hatred of Obama encompasses everything he did or supported ... bettyellen Jan 2017 #37

Now it's Obama's fault. Is there anyone else we need to blame before we get to HIllary? Exilednight Jan 2017 #31

No one's fault but seems okay to try to understand Akamai Jan 2017 #35

It helped cost her the election no doubt taught_me_patience Jan 2017 #34

I guess you are right that coastal dems were not as anti-TPP Akamai Jan 2017 #36

Right, Comey... voter suppression and Russia had NOTHING to do with why she lost :rolleyes: uponit7771 Jan 2017 #38