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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Did Obama's strong support of the TPP up until the election harm Hillary? [View all]JHan
(10,173 posts)14. It wasn't all held in secret.
There have been meetings with consumer groups, trade associations, labor unions.Here is the full list: https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/blog/2014/February/a-note-on-stakeholder-consultation
Note that negotiations started in 2009
Also note: https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/fact-sheets/2015/january/fact-sheet-transparency-and-obama
Congress established a system of Advisory Committees to get input from affected industries. The Obama Administration has grown the size and membership of our trade advisory committees to add voices that were initially left out of the process. In doing so we have worked to ensure strong representation from:
Labor unions,
Environmental groups,
Faith organizations,
Public health and consumer advocates,
Consumer organizations,
Local and state officials,
Farmers, ranchers, small business, and many more diverse interests.
These advisors receive full and equal access to U.S. negotiating proposals and work with our negotiators in an interactive process that includes regular updates on the negotiations, the opportunity to review U.S. proposals before they are tabled, and the chance to provide meaningful input into negotiating proposals and decisions. Over the past year, USTR has been soliciting additional nominations for candidates to further represent labor and non-industry interests, as well as further representatives of agriculture, services, and other sectors of the economy. We welcome additional participants and are open to new ideas on how we can expand input.
We are always looking for new ways to engage the public and to seek views that will help inform and guide our trade policy, and enhancing transparency will remain a priority, consistent with the ability to deliver on our ultimate mission, which is to deliver agreements that achieve the maximum possible benefit for the American people. Thats our focus.
Labor unions,
Environmental groups,
Faith organizations,
Public health and consumer advocates,
Consumer organizations,
Local and state officials,
Farmers, ranchers, small business, and many more diverse interests.
These advisors receive full and equal access to U.S. negotiating proposals and work with our negotiators in an interactive process that includes regular updates on the negotiations, the opportunity to review U.S. proposals before they are tabled, and the chance to provide meaningful input into negotiating proposals and decisions. Over the past year, USTR has been soliciting additional nominations for candidates to further represent labor and non-industry interests, as well as further representatives of agriculture, services, and other sectors of the economy. We welcome additional participants and are open to new ideas on how we can expand input.
We are always looking for new ways to engage the public and to seek views that will help inform and guide our trade policy, and enhancing transparency will remain a priority, consistent with the ability to deliver on our ultimate mission, which is to deliver agreements that achieve the maximum possible benefit for the American people. Thats our focus.
"WORKING HAND-IN-HAND WITH CONGRESS, THE PEOPLES REPRESENTATIVES
The administration has worked closely with the peoples representatives in Congress as we pursue our ambitious trade agenda. This has included:
Providing access to the full TPP negotiating texts for any Member of Congress, including for Members to view at their convenience in the Capitol, accompanied by staff members with appropriate security clearance.
Holding nearly 1,700 Congressional briefings on TPP alone, and many more on T-TIP, TPA, AGOA and other initiatives.
Providing Members of Congress with plain English summaries of TPP chapters to assist Members in navigating the negotiating text.
Previewing U.S. proposals with Congressional committees before taking them to the negotiations.
Working with Congress to update them on the state of the negotiations and get feedback every step of the way."
The administration has worked closely with the peoples representatives in Congress as we pursue our ambitious trade agenda. This has included:
Providing access to the full TPP negotiating texts for any Member of Congress, including for Members to view at their convenience in the Capitol, accompanied by staff members with appropriate security clearance.
Holding nearly 1,700 Congressional briefings on TPP alone, and many more on T-TIP, TPA, AGOA and other initiatives.
Providing Members of Congress with plain English summaries of TPP chapters to assist Members in navigating the negotiating text.
Previewing U.S. proposals with Congressional committees before taking them to the negotiations.
Working with Congress to update them on the state of the negotiations and get feedback every step of the way."
Before it reaches congress, within 105 days of signing an FTA, the U.S International Trade Commission will issue a report on the economic impact of the deal. Once Congress receives the bills, they have five months for review and hold votes - their deliberations will be public.
Furthermore, the President has to make the entire trade agreement public, this is a required stipulation of the TPA :https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL33743.pdf
Also, it's pretty standard for the public to not have full access to an FTA prior to signing. These are rules dictated by Congress, not the President.
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Did Obama's strong support of the TPP up until the election harm Hillary? [View all]
Akamai
Jan 2017
OP
And major proponents of the TPP outperformed Trump in their respective states...
Garrett78
Jan 2017
#33
I'm betting down-the-road we'll appreciate Obama's support for trade. Canada's Trudea likes TPP.
Hoyt
Jan 2017
#4
Agreed. I think we'll learn to appreciate a lot about his vision in the next couple years.
JHan
Jan 2017
#8
Actually, if you look there were unions, environmentalists, universities, economists, and many more
Hoyt
Jan 2017
#13
thats nice, but they still voted for Kasich , johnson over feingold and portman over strickland
JI7
Jan 2017
#26
Things are cumulative -- maybe they would have been more likely to vote for Hillary (I think so) if
Akamai
Jan 2017
#27
Hillary did better than dems who were anti trade and worst than dems who were pro trade
JI7
Jan 2017
#28
I sent Feingold a fair amount of money but Johnson got more and more and more...
snowy owl
Jan 2017
#29
Now it's Obama's fault. Is there anyone else we need to blame before we get to HIllary?
Exilednight
Jan 2017
#31
Right, Comey... voter suppression and Russia had NOTHING to do with why she lost :rolleyes:
uponit7771
Jan 2017
#38