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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Huffington Post: Bernie Sanders Should Not be Allowed to Hold the Democratic Party Hostage [View all]
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(315,325 posts)347. Kinda what I said below, brave..
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Huffington Post: Bernie Sanders Should Not be Allowed to Hold the Democratic Party Hostage [View all]
bravenak
Jan 2017
OP
Sanders can't do that alone. We as part of the part can declare our party expectations,
JCanete
Jan 2017
#1
Nobody but Democrats control the party. Sanders message may appeal to those of us who are Democrats.
JCanete
Jan 2017
#13
I disagree with your characterization of what he has been doing, but that has nothing to do with
JCanete
Jan 2017
#27
Bernie. "Attacking." "Hostage." Has the anti-Sanders group grown that weak?
Eleanors38
Jan 2017
#168
I think not being able to handle the tiniest bit of criticism is the real weakness
bravenak
Jan 2017
#171
If we are suppose to remake the Demcoratc party in Sanders image, then he should be a member
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#448
I never said I supported Super Delegates .. Super Delegates are NOT the reason Sanders lost
SFnomad
Jan 2017
#221
Yeah, Clinton's campaign was so "disastrous" she only got nearly 3 million more votes than tRump did
SFnomad
Jan 2017
#298
That was a reply to Dustlawyer stating that the "DNC cheated Sanders", try reading the thread
SFnomad
Jan 2017
#443
How did the DNC cause Jewish, African American and Latino voters to reject Sanders?
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#460
Last week, Bernie was fighting to save Medicare - bringing a huge poster of a Trump quote
womanofthehills
Jan 2017
#353
Explain to me how the people whom I refer to as "the radical left" are doing that.
Cary
Jan 2017
#412
If he will stop stocking the fire by calling democrats out of touch, I will say nothing
bravenak
Jan 2017
#455
Sanders out spent Clinton by a decent amount in many if not all of the later primaries
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#461
Then why was Sanders soundly rejected by Jewish, African American and Latino voters?
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#153
Goth...I get the feeling you don't care what a conversation is about, you just want to continue
JCanete
Jan 2017
#155
oh my fucking lord. This isn't debate for the sake of scoring points. Its about enlightenment, so I
JCanete
Jan 2017
#214
How about we focus on the fact that the author was simply pointing out that
cstanleytech
Jan 2017
#115
I am focusing on that. I'm a Democrat. I get to weigh in on who I accept as a Democrat. I get to
JCanete
Jan 2017
#120
You are welcome to your opinion but remember that other Democrats can disagree and still be Dems.
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#251
Well Sanders is a progressive who is more active than most of the dems
womanofthehills
Jan 2017
#354
And I'm not knocking him for it and in fact I agree with him alot things however if he wants
cstanleytech
Jan 2017
#382
Actually, being an independent has helped Bernie get so many amendments passed
womanofthehills
Jan 2017
#424
I don't see anyone wanting to exclude Sanders (if that's who you're referring to) from the debate...
George II
Jan 2017
#129
Oh jesus George. Is that how you want to parse this? She didn't want him or his message
JCanete
Jan 2017
#157
That's not "parsing", it's facing reality. You're saying things that simply are not true.
George II
Jan 2017
#233
referring to post #4 where you reiterated that independents should not be allowed to join and run
JCanete
Jan 2017
#176
They should not be in our primaries for president for damn sure. They can have their own and speak
bravenak
Jan 2017
#180
thus excluding them from the actual debate about our party's direction. okay. thanks for being
JCanete
Jan 2017
#189
If they do not want to be in the party, why should we care what they want in terms of our direction
bravenak
Jan 2017
#198
the question again is who is we. A large enough contingent of "we" wanted his message to get
JCanete
Jan 2017
#202
I assure you, nobody who wasn't a democrat let Sanders into the Democratic party. You know this.
JCanete
Jan 2017
#209
not just any Democrat. The jersey is not the point. We kind of get to weigh in on what our future
JCanete
Jan 2017
#219
No, she did not say "independents should not be allowed to join and run.....
George II
Jan 2017
#248
So the people who support a non Democrat and who have been busy trying to silence
synergie
Jan 2017
#329
Sorry...I completely disagree...we have not got time for that nonsense at the moment
Demsrule86
Jan 2017
#19
no, we've been losing for our center left approach. It makes us rely on the corporate backing that
JCanete
Jan 2017
#34
When has a far left candidate won a presidential in my lifetime? I am a millennial born in the 80s
bravenak
Jan 2017
#36
well, that's a good point, especially since so many of our own party don't want a far left candidate
JCanete
Jan 2017
#44
How do we get a far left candidate as a leader if the majority of the party does not want one?
bravenak
Jan 2017
#49
It should want one. Why don't you want one? It is disingenuous to stand in the way of something
JCanete
Jan 2017
#53
why aren't you fighting for it? That was the question. Why are you fighting against it? How
JCanete
Jan 2017
#59
oh come on. That's almost a "pick yourself up by your own bootstraps" argument. There is a
JCanete
Jan 2017
#87
Why do you believe the american people are just suddenly going to evolve and shrug off pervasive
JCanete
Jan 2017
#98
But what about an approach to politics that tries to ignore this reality appeals to you?
JCanete
Jan 2017
#109
I can totally see being the donkey from Animal Farm. That aint you. You have actively attacked
JCanete
Jan 2017
#127
It was more progressive post convention because there was pressure on her to be so.
JCanete
Jan 2017
#65
My parents and grandparents are black so, they say there has never been a better time for them ever
bravenak
Jan 2017
#128
FDR's attitude toward AA's was something I never knew about or even considered until
Ligyron
Jan 2017
#385
If that was true then shouldnt the Republicans have been losing alot of ground because right now it
cstanleytech
Jan 2017
#241
Which positions of the.. "hard left" do you feel will cause Democrats trouble?
pangaia
Jan 2017
#208
Biden? The Big Bank's credit card industry guy who voted for the Iraq War Resolution?
delisen
Jan 2017
#18
Really...well what we have now is a Goldman guy as treasury secretary...so much better. scarcasm
Demsrule86
Jan 2017
#21
"Plagiarism baggage"? That issue was over and forgotten more than 25 years ago.
George II
Jan 2017
#246
Definitely smart! Make the party a coronation for only what 1/2 to 2/3s of the party wants at best
JCanete
Jan 2017
#8
What? So what 2/3 of what the party wants should back down for, as you put it, a "coronation" for..
George II
Jan 2017
#76
Well lets see, in the context of the conersation, I would say it means that I am being generous and
JCanete
Jan 2017
#90
Did I say something different? where? Do you want to have a debate about the party in the primaries
JCanete
Jan 2017
#100
Well it would help if we spent more time debating the facts, or at least the various interpretations
JCanete
Jan 2017
#105
Important is kinda subjective. There are some who could argue that he's more important than ever.
NWCorona
Jan 2017
#12
He's almost eighty, how long you think he has to be in the spotlight as the 'future' of the party?
bravenak
Jan 2017
#15
Not long and I'm sure he's aware of that. I wouldn't say he's the future either
NWCorona
Jan 2017
#32
I'm not an ageist. You have it until you don't and Bernie still seems sharp to me.
NWCorona
Jan 2017
#38
I completely agree...we lost the election because he was permitted to run in my opinion. nt
Demsrule86
Jan 2017
#24
I agree. That was the biggest mistake the DNC made - letting Sanders run as a Democrat
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2017
#82
Yep, he trashed the party continuously and his supporters trashed Hillary continuously . . .
brush
Jan 2017
#85
Somewhere in the bowels of the Beltway Democrats, he was permitted?! Da Horror!!
Eleanors38
Jan 2017
#200
And yet, Bernie has been the most visible Democratic voice since the election
Fiendish Thingy
Jan 2017
#135
Bernie will not be gone - he's out there fighting the progressive cause right now!!
womanofthehills
Jan 2017
#355
Good article. A large majority of the DEMOCRATIC party chose Clinton in the Primary and General.
Lil Missy
Jan 2017
#9
Others can be found if one looks but I do understand that his criticism ruffles some.
NWCorona
Jan 2017
#41
Pretty good, actually. 2.9 million more votes for her over tRump. Nearly 4 million more for her
BlueCaliDem
Jan 2017
#121
Even before the convention he abandoned the Party and registered for re-election in 2018 as "I"!
George II
Jan 2017
#389
I can't believe that someone alerted this as "bashing Democratic public figures"!!!
George II
Jan 2017
#54
Not only that but the person who is presumably being "bashed" (which he isn't!).....
George II
Jan 2017
#60
There are a lot of progressives who have become independents because they have lost faith in the
RDANGELO
Jan 2017
#61
that's not true-- but we had a primary and he was beaten fairly clearly
Fast Walker 52
Jan 2017
#393
that may be true, but this election was an obvious choice, and if they didn't vote for HRC
Fast Walker 52
Jan 2017
#392
How is Ellison not a progressive? I think you're crossing into non-reality land.
RBInMaine
Jan 2017
#235
he's not saying corporations are bad. He's saying letting them run the henhouse is bad. Nt
JCanete
Jan 2017
#114
It could very likely ensure a conflict of interest, and certainly a very particular world-view, that
JCanete
Jan 2017
#150
Where are all these wonderful bills Bernie got through congress protecting our entitlements?
bravenak
Jan 2017
#178
and if he does the god damn libertarians and greens will poll as much as the dems
dembotoz
Jan 2017
#199
Keith Ellison is a Democrat heavily involved in the Minnesota's Democratic Party (the DFL).
Eric J in MN
Jan 2017
#144
The Democratic Party chooses to let decline to state voters select its candidate for president.
David__77
Jan 2017
#175
I am hoping that the party will outlaw caucuses and encourage more closed primaries next cycle
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#264
So are the Jewish, African American and Latino voters who rejected sanders part of the party?
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#265
Nope. I am working against FUTURE non democrats being in the position to harm us.
bravenak
Jan 2017
#186
Agree!!! That job should be reserved for the Ben Nelsons and Max Baucuses and Joe Liebermans of the
Hassin Bin Sober
Jan 2017
#184
They would never make it to super tuesday in a primary and they are not going to be around long
bravenak
Jan 2017
#190
Your vast experience is why Value your considerable input on Democratic party issues as much as I do
Hassin Bin Sober
Jan 2017
#244
I am not the one looking for a purity test. I simply want my team to wear the same jerseys
bravenak
Jan 2017
#224
I can't see a reason for an alert. The closest would be "don't bash Democratic public figures"....
George II
Jan 2017
#252
Sanders platform was based on unrealistic assumptions about a so-called revolution
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#262
But I want to know as well - why won't he join the Democratic Party? What's the problem?
JHan
Jan 2017
#299
It makes a difference because he is critiquing the structure and inner workings of the party.
JHan
Jan 2017
#308
He's an Independent. He drew massive crowds in the primary which surprised the hell out of the
jalan48
Jan 2017
#310
I guess you will need to ask him. He's an Independent and right now that's an attractive thing.
jalan48
Jan 2017
#315
You're missing a key word here-"some". The "it's all black and white" approach fails again.
jalan48
Jan 2017
#433
My thing with him is that he was defending that bullshit coming outta the Farrakhan tribe
bravenak
Jan 2017
#267
It's one thing to not want the guy to be president...fine, that's your call...
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#271
We don't have to reject the candidate Bernie supports for DNC chair to hang on to black voters.
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#316
I respect your anger, but I don't actually hold the views you said I hold in that post.
Ken Burch
Jan 2017
#444
I totally support him and I think he will bring us together, rather than divide us
bravenak
Jan 2017
#277
where does Tom Perez stand on marijuana legalization? Has he said? Does anybody know?
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2017
#282
I'm sure you agree that, going forward, silence or pretending it's not a "serious" issue
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2017
#289
I'm used to outright hostility so somebody that will stfu if opposed is almost heavenly
bravenak
Jan 2017
#293
DWS was working with Sheldon Adelson & running to the times with "reefer madness" tropes.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2017
#295
This Bozo Rosenstein and his ilk had no problems supporting Holy Joe Lieberman
Larkspur
Jan 2017
#321
If I never hear his name or his voice ever again, I'll be tickled pink. I quit Rachel's show this..
Tarheel_Dem
Jan 2017
#324
Crab all you want about Bernie, but he is the ONLY person yet alone the only Senator who is STILL
napi21
Jan 2017
#330
I never called him a god! If he & Warren are not the only ones fighting, tell me who else have
napi21
Jan 2017
#398
The congressional black caucus is fighting like mad. Not busy trashing dems and hawking a book
bravenak
Jan 2017
#418
I don't doubt you, buttt you all need to find out how to get in the daily news. Copy the Con
napi21
Jan 2017
#429
Sanders ran for media coverage and is in the process of selling his latest book
Gothmog
Jan 2017
#339
The DNC opened our primary to allow Sanders to run, he said he would accept the DNC rules
Thinkingabout
Jan 2017
#397
Rosenstein is a moron. There's nothing insightful to his diatribe of fantasy land wannabe kingmaker
Exilednight
Jan 2017
#413
Because of Sanders continued support, Hillary 'changed' enough to win the popular vote by millions.
Sunlei
Jan 2017
#445
We're still in that vague period in which any criticism of Sanders is bullying
LanternWaste
Jan 2017
#458