2016 Postmortem

zipplewrath

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39. False dichotomy

Fri Jan 6, 2017, 06:44 PM

Jan 2017

There were more choices under TARP than "Save the bonuses" and "Collapse the economy". He could have paid less for the "toxic assets" to ensure that the profits weren't earned. That would have prevented the bonuses. Timmy was afraid if he didn't let them "earn" their bonus, that they'd quit.

And yes, their use of the term corporatist is less than perfect, but not completely wrong. Furthermore, language evolves. As long as you understand their point and position, argue the point, not the semantics. There's far too much concern around here about HOW things are said instead of WHAT is being said.

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Sick of seeing meaningless epithets "corporatist" and "neoliberal" hurled at progressives like Obama [View all] DanTex Jan 2017 OP

I also think Obama is more keenly aware of pros and cons of the TPP than many give him credit for.. JHan Jan 2017 #1

This times 1000 charlyvi Jan 2017 #2

Neoliberal is not meaningless. killbotfactory Jan 2017 #3

It has become meaningless based on how it's used. DanTex Jan 2017 #4

I do blame Obama for not using it Exilednight Jan 2017 #5

The public option? He did use that as his starting point. DanTex Jan 2017 #8

No he didn't. KO did a whole segment and dedicated a Exilednight Jan 2017 #12

You just rewrote history. Well done. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #14

You obviously did not pay attention during the debate. Exilednight Jan 2017 #20

Obviously. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #22

The problem is that our party needs the consent of rich institutions too much. JCanete Jan 2017 #6

I guess maybe we should have voted for Gore instead of protest voting with Saradan and electing Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #9

The media always makes the race close. If we had a bigger edge they would have still made it JCanete Jan 2017 #10

And gullible, easily distracted people Jakes Progress Jan 2017 #24

It's easier for folks to toss out these catchphrases mcar Jan 2017 #7

Yes. When I see those words I know the person doesn't know what they're talking about. betsuni Jan 2017 #11

You made my day :) SharonClark Jan 2017 #25

And the progressive candidate Clinton would have followed on & expanded upon all of these. baldguy Jan 2017 #13

The Alt-Lefty Media otohara Jan 2017 #15

The government is in the hands of the gop killbotfactory Jan 2017 #16

I'll happily criticize those on our left wing.... Adrahil Jan 2017 #33

Agreed. It's all just contrived and divisive name calling. So phony. n/t R B Garr Jan 2017 #17

I am also sick of seeing BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #18

If Obama was a corporatist or neoliberal then why would he support TPP? AngryAmish Jan 2017 #19

Time to give credit when credit is due. oasis Jan 2017 #21

A lot of people are feeling guilty Jakes Progress Jan 2017 #23

But, .... but .... no pony! Lil Missy Jan 2017 #26

Obama is a Progressive President.. we're lucky to have him.. Cha Jan 2017 #27

You realize Obama disagrees with you zipplewrath Jan 2017 #28

I don't think I've ever heard Obama use the terms "neoliberal" or "corporatist". DanTex Jan 2017 #29

Neither have I zipplewrath Jan 2017 #30

He has called himself both a moderate and a progressive at different points. DanTex Jan 2017 #31

Well, he is zipplewrath Jan 2017 #32

I'm arguing policy positions. DanTex Jan 2017 #34

Well, I'm not sure even Obama would agree with you zipplewrath Jan 2017 #35

"Corporatism" and "corporate profits" have nothing to do with each other. DanTex Jan 2017 #36

I think you need to read Timmy's book zipplewrath Jan 2017 #37

So you are insisting on the incorrect definition of the term "corporatist". OK then... DanTex Jan 2017 #38

False dichotomy zipplewrath Jan 2017 #39

There was no "save the bonuses" plan. That's pure fiction. DanTex Jan 2017 #40

K & R Scurrilous Jan 2017 #41