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2016 Postmortem

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La Lioness Priyanka

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Fri Dec 23, 2016, 05:48 PM Dec 2016

Yes, Bernie could have won under the exact right circumstances [View all]

1. That HRC's followers voted for him and did not vote third party or stay home, like some of his own followers did.

Given, that her followers have now been spurned twice, this is not such a given. Obama was inspiring to me, even as an HRC supporter, that Bernie never could be, and while i personally would never stay home or vote third party, it's silly to assume ALL her supporters would feel the same way.

2. That no scandal could be manufactured about him, and exploited by FBI and Putin and the media.

Which could happen, but no one here knows for a fact that it could not have happened. The email scandal was wholly manufactured, as were the the really strange interpretations of podesta's emails by wikileaks.

There were similar scandals in the background about Sanders, that maybe everyone would be nice about and ignore, or they would create something out of a nothingburger.

3. The white middle class were ok knowing there would a tax increase on them, that may end up helping non-whites.

Under those circumstances he could have won. Under the exact same circumstance so could HRC.

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Don't forget that racists are also frequently antisemites. I supported Bernie, but I now suspect tblue37 Dec 2016 #1
yeah. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #2
Sexism was an issue Bernie wouldn't have had against him though. Joe941 Dec 2016 #3
yeah. that's true enough. La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #6
Not Sure About That Me. Dec 2016 #11
That definitely can't be overlooked. NWCorona Dec 2016 #12
Well we sure as hell know who lost. Ligyron Dec 2016 #4
aint that the truth La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #5
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #7
yes, which was not hammered on during primaries La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #8
2 is very important... we could've ran anyone and the FBI would've made some shit up about them uponit7771 Dec 2016 #9
Republicans had a file on Bernie and were ready to use it if he became a nominee. LisaL Dec 2016 #10
Yes, and Twice A Prince would have beaten Secretariat duffyduff Dec 2016 #13
Yes, of course it would have been an uphill battle, and speculating about it, is in part, JCanete Dec 2016 #14
game theory. The Russians would have hacked it a different way LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #15
If every Hillary voter and a few Trump voters voted for Bernie HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #16
That assumes every surbanite Hillary voter geek tragedy Dec 2016 #17
It also assumes that Bernie would have gotten nearly the same amount of AA turnout as Hillary. SaschaHM Dec 2016 #18
Who would they have voted for instead? HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #21
Chances are that they wouldn't have voted or they could have gone 3rd party. SaschaHM Dec 2016 #22
4. That Bernie would have a turnout of AA voters near what Clinton had. SaschaHM Dec 2016 #19
Hillary had, at 59%, an astronomically high unfavorable rating among registered voters. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #20
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