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5. all things considered, we did pretty well, with hillary getting notably more votes.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 12:47 PM
Dec 2016

frankly, if you think about it, given:

- the biased purging of voting rolls
- the biased voter id laws
- the biased disenfranchisement through the criminal courts
- the biased allocation of voting locations
- the biased electoral college system
- the biased forms of voting (whether or not and how much early voting, most notably)
- a media that gave 85+% of the coverage to donnie
- a media that, when it did cover hillary, focused almost entirely on fake scandals and baseless allegations
- criminal activity from donnie in soliciting hacking of private data of americans (by a foreign entity, no less!)
- a media that failed to point this out and declare donnie disqualified for this
- criminal activity in gaining access to campaign-related private information (did the media even ever point out that the hacking was a criminal act?)
- criminal activity in the accepting and publication of contraband (the media had no basis for publicizing the stolen information).
- criminal activity from the fbi (comey violated the hatch act by committing a blatantly political act in an effort to swing the election).
- and we can't discount the possibility that vote totals were outright manipulated.

america did pretty well to give hillary markedly more votes.

we need to do better, but we're fighting the wrong war if we focus on the usual issues, candidates, messaging, etc.

if we don't to something about republican cheating, they'll beat us every time.

you can't beat a cheater by simply playing better.

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