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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: No. Bernie Sanders would not have beaten Trump [View all]Gothmog
(172,052 posts)122. Iowa and New Hampshire are two 90%+ white states
        The demographics of Iowa and New Hampshire do not reflect the base of the Democratic party  http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-new-hampshire/
So why do I still think Sanders is a factional candidate? He hasnt made any inroads with non-white voters  in particular black voters, a crucial wing of the Democratic coalition and whose support was a big part of President Obamas toppling of Clinton in the 2008 primary. Not only are African-Americans the majority of Democratic voters in the South Carolina primary (a crucial early contest), they make up somewhere between 19 percent and 24 percent of Democrats nationwide. In the past two YouGov polls, Sanders has averaged just 5 percent with black voters. Ipsoss weekly tracking poll has him at an average of only 7 percent over the past two weeks. Fox News (the only live-interview pollster to publish results among non-white voters in July and August) had Clinton leading Sanders 62-10 among non-white Democrats in mid-July and 65-14 in mid-August. Clintons edge with non-whites held even as Sanders cut her overall lead from 40 percentage points to 19....
But even if you put aside those metrics, Sanders is running into the problem that other insurgent Democrats have in past election cycles. You can win Iowa relying mostly on white liberals. You can win New Hampshire. But as Gary Hart and Bill Bradley learned, you cant win a Democratic nomination without substantial support from African-Americans.
But even if you put aside those metrics, Sanders is running into the problem that other insurgent Democrats have in past election cycles. You can win Iowa relying mostly on white liberals. You can win New Hampshire. But as Gary Hart and Bill Bradley learned, you cant win a Democratic nomination without substantial support from African-Americans.
Iowa and New Hampshire do not represent the demographics of the Democratic Party and so did not help sanders win the nomination
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        I am willing to entertain the notion that both of them would have been weak candidates in the
        RDANGELO
        Dec 2016
        #1
      
        
        all candidates are flawed - the party that nominates the more charismatic candidate wins.
        NewJeffCT
        Dec 2016
        #60
      
        
        Don't forget JFK & Nixon. The polls suggested that those who "listened" to the first
        jonno99
        Dec 2016
        #155
      
        
        They have no problem with Trump's Goldman Sachs cabinet so why would they vote Bernie?
        bravenak
        Dec 2016
        #12
      
        
        Except none of those "populist" DT voters care that he's putting all these Goldman Sachs
        pnwmom
        Dec 2016
        #142
      
        
        I think it will be easy to beat Trump in 2020 if the asshole is still in office
        mtnsnake
        Dec 2016
        #56
      
        
        At best it is a liberal site that reports with a bias and often omits facts
        etherealtruth
        Dec 2016
        #197
      
        
        Sorry, I thought the article made sense, but I didn't know they were fake news
        mtnsnake
        Dec 2016
        #48
      
        
        an op is not a response. How the fuck can you tell at this point who the originator and who the
        JCanete
        Dec 2016
        #186
      
        
        Bernie would have won. The DNC slowed his momentum by delaying the debates.
        virtualobserver
        Dec 2016
        #15
      
        
        the polls are not perfect, but I'd rather go with the candidate with the double digit lead.....
        virtualobserver
        Dec 2016
        #27
      
        
        Sanders would have handled it.  He would have made Trump look like a fool.
        virtualobserver
        Dec 2016
        #41
      
        
        And any intelligent campaign knows it must win a primary first to even think about a general
        bravenak
        Dec 2016
        #78
      
        
        He could never win without the south. The black vote. How was he going to get that?
        bravenak
        Dec 2016
        #91
      
        
        He didn't have to win the south. He just had to do better in the south, and everywhere else.
        virtualobserver
        Dec 2016
        #98
      
        
        You think that we would have just voted for him because he got momentum from NH?
        bravenak
        Dec 2016
        #117
      
        
        Where is your evidence that enough of us would have switched to the guy who called our
        bravenak
        Dec 2016
        #149
      
        
        The point is that neither of our positions can be proven to be correct
        virtualobserver
        Dec 2016
        #160
      
        
        No shit. He really fucked shit up. It's like handing it off to a mean ass six year old.
        bravenak
        Dec 2016
        #173
      
        
        next to the reality of Trump....any "huge file" would have had no impact.
        virtualobserver
        Dec 2016
        #75
      
        
        There was no doubt some cross over by GOP types to mess up the nomination process
        Gothmog
        Dec 2016
        #118
      
        
        She still did not need them to be way way way past him in delegate totals so....
        bravenak
        Dec 2016
        #33
      
        
        Super delegates would have supported Bernie if he had been leading in pledged delegates
        tammywammy
        Dec 2016
        #38
      
        
        You are using facts against a silly talking point that has no basis in reality
        Gothmog
        Dec 2016
        #116
      
        
        Super delegates did not come into play because sanders only got 43% of primary popular vote
        Gothmog
        Dec 2016
        #40
      
        
        Hillary had astronomical unfavorable ratings for a Presidential candidate.
        Hassin Bin Sober
        Dec 2016
        #100
      
        
        They showed her within margin of error with tRump, which is where she ended up. They showed
        JudyM
        Dec 2016
        #167
      
        
        Ha!  Doesn't matter, they were 10points beyond the MOE, consistently.  That many more likely
        JudyM
        Dec 2016
        #175
      
        
        People throwing around absolutes really need to stop. We will never know. Get over it
        NWCorona
        Dec 2016
        #137
      
        
        I would never say he gave up but he did move resources else where but by that point
        NWCorona
        Dec 2016
        #172
      
        
        I just wonder how Bernie would have responded when Comey opened an investigation of his ties
        world wide wally
        Dec 2016
        #146
      
        
        This thread brought to you by the people who said Clinton would win in a landslide.  nt
        Gore1FL
        Dec 2016
        #150
      
        
        I had my concerns all the way through due to the voter rejection of political dynasties.
        Gore1FL
        Dec 2016
        #168
      
        
        Sanders' message was clearly rejected.  The 70,000-something people spread over
        R B Garr
        Dec 2016
        #180
      
        
        If you say so.  I don't recall him runnning in the general election to know if he was rejected.
        Gore1FL
        Dec 2016
        #192
      
        
        Those 70,000-something didn't vote for a lot of people where were not running besides Sanders.
        Gore1FL
        Dec 2016
        #198
      
        
        I believe that Bernie would have won. But, the election is over and Trump won.
        DemocraticWing
        Dec 2016
        #176
      
        
        Agreed, brave!  I guess it bears repeating until the fantasyland relating to him
        R B Garr
        Dec 2016
        #181