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Yupster

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39. The problem is self selection
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 08:55 PM
Dec 2016

If the exit poll table is 100 feet from the polling place there is plenty of space to avoid speaking to them if you want to. Exit pollsters are also often younger women and there are often banners on the table identifying the exit poll site by organization sponsoring it. The exit poll questionnaires also have as many as 40 questions to answer.

So who would tend to self select toward that table and who would tend to walk in the other direction? It's just not a random sample. Angry older white men don't go near an exit pollster and a young woman is unlikely to chase them down when there's a much friendlier face right behind them. They are supposed to interview every fifth voter. Turns out that's a lot different than interviewing one of every five voters.

Back in 2004 there was an article in one of the newspaper magazines (NYT?) by an exit pollster trying to explain why she thought the exit polls were so wrong. She said that all through the day she felt she was not getting a good sample of respondents. She said she made an honest effort to question everyone she was supposed to, but some people just blew past her with a wave and she felt during the day it was skewing her results. When the exit polls turned out so wrong, she said she wasn't surprised and she in a tiny way blamed herself for it.

The fact is that angry older white male voters are not going to stop and talk to a young woman working for a media conglomerate at the same rate as other people. So who are the Republican's most reliable voters?

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I dont understand all the verbiosity - how does that explain exit polls being so far off in those Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2016 #1
A few days before the election, there were still large numbers of undecideds. pnwmom Dec 2016 #2
That doesn't explain the exit poll 'phenomena'. triron Dec 2016 #4
I think we need to accept that exit polls are now fundamentally flawed. LonePirate Dec 2016 #14
Please read Ron Baiman's paper. triron Dec 2016 #19
It's certainly possible (likely?) that both election fraud occurs and exit polls are flawed. LonePirate Dec 2016 #26
The assumptions made triron Dec 2016 #30
The problem is self selection Yupster Dec 2016 #39
Baiman's paper is worthless because he doesn't understand the flaws of exit polling mythology Dec 2016 #43
Uh, no. You got it bass ackwards. First we get the secure, verifiable voting system Kashkakat v.2.0 Dec 2016 #32
Yes, your sequence is how it should be but people are performing it in reverse now. LonePirate Dec 2016 #34
I think you got it right triron Dec 2016 #40
When States like Florida forthemiddle Dec 2016 #35
Exit polls included a weighted component of early voters calculated through a pre-election poll. BzaDem Dec 2016 #38
Wonder about this as well. triron Dec 2016 #41
It doesn't. They weren't. nt jmg257 Dec 2016 #17
The exit polls weren't off. mythology Dec 2016 #22
Exit polls aren't true samples. They do not contact (much less get a response) Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #23
Fuck 538. They got it wrong, this is an attempt to save face realmirage Dec 2016 #3
Polls cannot measure last minute changes in mind because the polling pnwmom Dec 2016 #5
And there were a lot of undecideds this year. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #31
Actually, they were "getting" it right zipplewrath Dec 2016 #6
Nate does not just poll HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #11
He doesn't do polling. He bases his predictions on other people's polls and uses Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2016 #20
Getting it right at the end of Election Day is meaningless HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #13
Statistical flaw zipplewrath Dec 2016 #28
Who got it right? Renew Deal Dec 2016 #8
Hmm. That's the same response I got when I posted that Silver was warning... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2016 #16
Nate Silver was one of the few prognisticators who warned about... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #42
Some did, no doubt, just not enough to mean anything. ucrdem Dec 2016 #7
The evidence says otherwise. DT's win in key swing states was so narrow -- pnwmom Dec 2016 #10
Not really. In WI he won by 1 point, but he leapt from 40 to 48 points to do it: ucrdem Dec 2016 #15
So? If the Comey bombs hadn't been dropped his leap wouldn't have been that big. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #36
If anyone switched to Trump at the last minute mtnsnake Dec 2016 #9
Yes, but supposedly Nate's polls predict this HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #12
Polling indicated how quickly the electorate was to switch at any miniscule piece of non-information Tiggeroshii Dec 2016 #18
So Comey's unethical behavior handed the election to Trump. yardwork Dec 2016 #21
Comey is responsible for any disaster Trump brings on our nation/planet. oasis Dec 2016 #24
Because they got the permission slip from Comey Dem2 Dec 2016 #25
Private server was her achilles heel. hollowdweller Dec 2016 #27
We can't just believe her? yallerdawg Dec 2016 #33
COMEY did it. Justice Dec 2016 #29
This defies all common sense and human nature Generator Dec 2016 #37
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