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elleng

(140,174 posts)
30. Kind of a stretch, imo.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 10:53 PM
Dec 2016

'The case, Marks v. Stinson, is the first and only known case in which a federal judge reversed an election outcome.

In 1995, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to review an appellate court’s decision of Marks v. Stinson, a case originally brought before a federal district judge in Pennsylvania in 1993, which was subsequently appealed to the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit in 1994. The Third Circuit partially upheld the federal judge’s decision to intervene and invalidate a 1993 state senate election due to fraud. Interestingly, the federal district judge ordered the winner be removed from office and the subsequent vacancy be filled by his opponent.

The 1993 state senate contest pitted Republican Bruce Marks against Democrat William G. Stinson. Stinson was named the winner, but was later accused of participating in a scheme with elections officials to commit election fraud. Namely, Stinson was accused of conspiring to cast illegally obtained absentee ballots in his favor.

In February 1994, after Stinson had already taken office, the federal judge ordered he “be removed from his State Senate office and that [his opponent, Bruce Marks] be certified the winner within 72 hours.”

Two of the elected officials who testified in the Pennsylvania case said under oath that they were aware of the fraud, had intentionally failed to enforce laws, and hurried to certify Stinson the winner in order to bury the story. To some, the narrative draws parallels to the Washington Post’s revelation that Republican Mitch McConnell was aware of the CIA’s conclusion that Russians had intervened and opted to do nothing.

Interestingly, the appellate court affirmed the district court’s intervention in the matter. But, the Third Circuit vacated the district court’s decision on ordering the certification of the winner: “We will vacate that portion of the district court’s preliminary injunction that required the Board of Elections to certify Marks.” Marks, 19 F.3d at 890. However, Mark was allowed to remain in the seat after having replaced Stinson for the rest of the term.

The case deliberates interesting rationale that could theoretically be applied in part if, after Donald Trump assumes office, it is shown that Russian hacking (or any fraud, for that matter) robbed Hillary Clinton of the presidency. The case offers clues that imply courts may intervene.

Obviously both the stakes and the office in question are much higher than in Marks v. Stinson. There has been no case of first impression with regards to the presidency being overturned to a wrongful winner’s opponent.

There is also, of course, no constitutional Electoral College process or system in Pennsylvania, so the situations are not exactly analogous. But the reasoning behind the federal court’s decision may hold muster. It is not clear how the case would impact a presidential election.

As of December 9, Clinton has won the national popular vote by more than 2.8 million votes. According to Cook Political Report, the vote count has Clinton approaching 66 million votes, meaning the first female major-party nominee has already earned more votes than any other presidential candidate in history, second only to Barack Obama (the totals suggest she is on course to surpass the president’s 2012 count, as well).'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russian-interference-could-give-courts-legal-authority_us_584be136e4b0151082221b9c

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Is that a credible source? AirmensMom Dec 2016 #1
Not sure some say yes some say no.......needs reseach maybe Iamaartist Dec 2016 #3
Not really, Palmer spins a sensationalist story around a kernel of truth Amishman Dec 2016 #16
Palmer needs our donations! golfguru Dec 2016 #29
I don't consider hm a credible source. But others' mileage may vary. SlimJimmy Dec 2016 #35
No, he's not mythology Dec 2016 #22
It is a Donate button site. Coyotl Dec 2016 #38
Lucrative field to be in these days. EL34x4 Dec 2016 #41
It's probably more likely that everyone posting in this thread will hit the Powerball before Jan. 20 MrPurple Dec 2016 #2
On what grounds? zipplewrath Dec 2016 #5
I am sure it wont go away....as yet..... Iamaartist Dec 2016 #6
I'm in on that action. Do I have to buy a ticket? n/t rzemanfl Dec 2016 #27
Trump will be President. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #4
I guess we will see ...... Iamaartist Dec 2016 #7
Unfortunately, we will. Nt NCTraveler Dec 2016 #11
Try not to sound so MFM008 Dec 2016 #8
Yeah. I'm thoroughly enthused over it. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #9
Some of us believe in accepting reality mythology Dec 2016 #25
My feeling too. We need to figure out how to deal with that, prepare for 2018 and 2020, Hoyt Dec 2016 #21
I get it as well. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #26
Exactly. Trump will provide plenty of opportunities to make him and Republicans look bad. Hoyt Dec 2016 #32
Not going to happen. nycbos Dec 2016 #10
It's legitimate considering the case that was cited in the article. Lint Head Dec 2016 #12
Palmer Report is absolute crap jodymarie aimee Dec 2016 #13
this Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #20
Not happening. 8-0 Supreme Court if they actually heard the case. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #14
Give it the fuck up................ Historic NY Dec 2016 #15
....because the election was stolen.... by the GOP Iamaartist Dec 2016 #19
That doesn't seem to be the case. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #23
This article reminds me of the breathless reports that SCOTUS might overturn Obama's election BzaDem Dec 2016 #17
To have more stolen from us.....no way here...as Gore's was also...stolen Iamaartist Dec 2016 #24
Trump won. It was not stolen from Clinton. BzaDem Dec 2016 #36
Guess you haven't looked very closely at the exit polls... ElementaryPenguin Dec 2016 #39
The unadjusted exit polls had Gore winning: AL AR AZ CO GA MO NC NV TN TX VA BzaDem Dec 2016 #40
Exactly. Although with reason, we are sounding to much like GOPers after , and it's not becomming. Hoyt Dec 2016 #33
Just like the calls here for the President to declare martial law and impose a do-over election. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #34
*sigh* sarisataka Dec 2016 #18
this is absolutely absurd Takket Dec 2016 #28
Kind of a stretch, imo. elleng Dec 2016 #30
Palmerreport is less cedible than that paper you put in the bottom af a bird cage Uggwearingdad Dec 2016 #31
The people coming up with these desperate hail mary ideas that have 0 % chance dionysus Dec 2016 #37
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