2016 Postmortem

Garrett78

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35. Voter suppression can't be predicted. It's not an exact science.

Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:10 PM

Dec 2016

So, no, the Democratic Party didn't know exactly what impact would be had, and there's much more to it than cutting early voting days. Click on the link in my last post.

Anyway, you did dismiss voter suppression as a factor in your OP. In a very tight race, any number of factors could have been the difference between winning and losing.

As you say, many were not enthusiastic about Clinton. So, it's entirely possible that a substantial bloc of voters were swayed to not vote because of the FBI's unprecedented interference. And, as hard as it is to believe, there are always undecided voters even in the final days of a campaign.

My issue with the MSM isn't so much that they pushed the "Clinton has it in the bag" narrative. Neil Buchanan did an excellent job of explaining how awful the MSM is: http://www.newsweek.com/neil-buchanan-cruel-crooked-caricature-doomed-clinton-520125. I also recommend this: http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/12/15/13955108/fake-news-2016.

And I guess I don't get your last point. Those who constantly spread the "lesser evil/they're all the same" narrative do great harm. Bill Maher addressed this: " target="_blank">

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Played like a drum [View all] Uponthegears Dec 2016 OP

It's ready for the glue factory now kcr Dec 2016 #1

All that to say Comey had little effect and to blame the young black guy? brush Dec 2016 #2

You miss the point on Crosscheck Uponthegears Dec 2016 #6

Nah, if not for Crosscheck Hillary's black vote would have been even higher than 92% brush Dec 2016 #9

As am I Uponthegears Dec 2016 #20

This was the first presidential cycle since SCOTUS gutted the voting rights act brush Dec 2016 #22

What you say is truth Uponthegears Dec 2016 #23

Wrong. Bernie knowingly and intentionally ran a divisive campaign. He is divisive R B Garr Dec 2016 #3

Yes his supporters were drooling over the Wikileaks and Guccifer crap and could not see ahead to Nov bettyellen Dec 2016 #4

Exactly, it was irrationally divisive and hateful is a good word for it. R B Garr Dec 2016 #5

And yet Uponthegears Dec 2016 #7

You don't want to bring up the convention to defend the BOBs. Just no. bettyellen Dec 2016 #10

Oh, you bet I'll bring it up Uponthegears Dec 2016 #16

She won Dems almost two to one. He has GOPErs crossing over to vote for him... bettyellen Dec 2016 #18

I don't want to get in the habit Uponthegears Dec 2016 #24

HA. Thank you! I don't blame the majority of BS voters but a very vocal bettyellen Dec 2016 #26

What can I say but Uponthegears Dec 2016 #27

I think there are many people trying to forment dissent among us and we need to ask them bettyellen Dec 2016 #28

That's not venting Uponthegears Dec 2016 #31

True, I'm still unpacking the loss. Have not shed a tear yet such is the shock and anger.... bettyellen Dec 2016 #32

I think I pulled something Uponthegears Dec 2016 #33

i never thought I'd describe something as a national embarrassment but there he is! bettyellen Dec 2016 #34

True, it is absolutely not all the Bernie supporters. Most of them got it in the end. But, R B Garr Dec 2016 #13

BULLSHIT!! Bernie fille stadiums with PROGRESSIVES who wanted CHANGE in a CHANGE year! RBInMaine Dec 2016 #8

Well you got your CHANGE. That's the kind of mindless bullshit that fed the media feeding frenzy.... bettyellen Dec 2016 #11

It's not bullshit that Bernie was very divisive. That is consistent with his decades-long R B Garr Dec 2016 #14

So, of course it is on BoBers. joshcryer Dec 2016 #12

I don't agree with all your points but you do raise issues many don't want to admit to.. JHan Dec 2016 #15

So true Uponthegears Dec 2016 #17

Your last paragraph should be an OP. Well said. bettyellen Dec 2016 #19

It was hate. kentuck Dec 2016 #21

Clinton won by 4.3 million votes in Calif according to the last count. ucrdem Dec 2016 #25

The Shelby County v. Holder decision of 2013 made voter suppression much easier. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #29

I don't dismiss it at all Uponthegears Dec 2016 #30

Voter suppression can't be predicted. It's not an exact science. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #35

I do appreciate your opinions Uponthegears Dec 2016 #36