2016 Postmortem

JCanete

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19. still focusing on symptoms. If that's where you want to spend your energy, fine, but people aren't

Thu Dec 15, 2016, 06:35 PM

Dec 2016

just born educated and enlightened. Most of us, and I gotto say that includes a lot of people on this board, you and I will agree(though we may disagree about whether or not I belong in that group) don't rise to the level of enlightened. Much of our reasoning is almost entirely driven at the limbic level of our brains. Our consciousness just window dresses that by cherry picking the evidence to match our emotions.

Saying "If every dem just did this it would be all great," is just as non-prescriptive as saying "If everybody just acted in good faith, for the common good the world would be a better place." Yeah, it would.

the thing that actually influences elections beyond anything else is the media. Before you move back to symptoms please address that in one way or another. Agree, or disagree.

If you disagree, what do you believe has the greatest impact?

If you agree, why don't we take that on already rather than getting mired in trying to bandage the rash instead of curing the disease?

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Fake news is a convenient scapegoat, but the big 2016 problem was the real news [View all] kentuck Dec 2016 OP

i'd file the email, benghazi, and clinton foundation stories under fake news as well. unblock Dec 2016 #1

And, of course, they have to tell "both sides." Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #9

I agree with the fact that the MSM failed, but with the numbers so close Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #2

But it was the "real news" that got it close to begin with... kentuck Dec 2016 #3

Again, I agree. I just think we also need to consider and try to combat Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #5

Absolutely! kentuck Dec 2016 #7

This is the problem with Dems. I can't tell you the number of BS chain emails Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #8

They have little regard for other people's feelings. kentuck Dec 2016 #14

That doesn't correlate with the election results though. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #13

Airtime was the single biggest factor underpants Dec 2016 #4

exactly. interesting that she had big leads in the polls after the conventions and debates. unblock Dec 2016 #10

The. TV Media Made a God out of Trump McKim Dec 2016 #25

there were many things that went wrong. one is 8 year incumbency of one party La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #6

the gnewz trying to make their failure to expose RUMP + FELLATING him instead pansypoo53219 Dec 2016 #11

Nonsense it all boils down to not enough dems voting Ohioblue22 Dec 2016 #12

The media affects voter turn-out. The media affects American opinion on voter suppression and JCanete Dec 2016 #16

Well it's easy ignore the conservative media and vote for the Ohioblue22 Dec 2016 #17

still focusing on symptoms. If that's where you want to spend your energy, fine, but people aren't JCanete Dec 2016 #19

It seems that you see lack of voting as a symptom Ohioblue22 Dec 2016 #22

but registered democrats come in a range of packages...a wide fucking range of packages. The media JCanete Dec 2016 #23

Well the dems have been using this model of the voting Ohioblue22 Dec 2016 #24

YES! The only thing is that we keep thinking the media is shitty just because. Or maybe because JCanete Dec 2016 #15

They spent 3 time the number of hours on email than all other issues... fuck the M$M uponit7771 Dec 2016 #18

Its nice to be on the same page once in a while. Don't you think its time though, that we say JCanete Dec 2016 #20

+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #21

I think they didn't know they were playing with fire. BayouBengal07 Dec 2016 #26

While fake news may not have been responsible for the result... Garrett78 Dec 2016 #27

I have been saying this repeatedly that it is a news problem. AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #28

In America the Media is a problem! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #29

Years ago, I traveled oversees and was shocked to see the difference in news content AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #30