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Garrett78

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12. Even though their policy positions are basically the same, Clinton is...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 08:11 PM
Dec 2016

...more easily associated with "evil," as in "the lesser evil is still evil." Simply because she's been around for so long and her husband's administration produced some anger-inducing legislation.

And I think the 25+ years of vicious right wing slander leached into the consciousness of some who would have otherwise voted for Clinton.

I personally know of millennials who simply don't grasp how much worse off we'll be with Trump. As I wrote in an essay about a week after the election:

Regarding the notion that there’s no real difference between the two major parties, consider the following:

1) a Clinton Administration wouldn't foment hatred or attempt to roll back progress made in the area of civil rights (Mike Pence is virulently opposed to LGBTQ rights)

2) a Clinton Admin wouldn't nominate horrifyingly right wing justices, who could spell disaster for women's rights, for the Supreme Court

3) a Clinton Admin wouldn't try to privatize Social Security, Medicare, public infrastructure and so on

4) a Clinton Admin wouldn’t attempt to do away with the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act

5) a Clinton Admin would push for alternative energy investment, maintain the US's position in the Paris Climate Treaty and wouldn’t consider scientific consensus (on climate change, on vaccinations, on evolution) to be a “hoax”

6) a Clinton Admin wouldn’t scrap the Iran nuclear deal

7) a Clinton Admin would have worked to improve upon the Affordable Care Act, which has insured millions who would not otherwise be insured at all (a public option would go a long way toward addressing rising costs)

8) a Clinton Admin would have attempted to lower the cost of college tuition

9) a Clinton Admin would advocate for sensible gun control policy (and against NRA obfuscation that falsely convinces people gun control advocates want to ban all guns)

10) a Clinton Admin would raise taxes on those making obscene amounts of money, often while producing nothing of value

11) a Clinton Admin would have used the bully pulpit to push for paid family leave, affordable child care and equal pay for women

12) a Clinton Admin likely would keep with President Obama’s policy of offering clemency to nonviolent drug offenders (the Obama Admin has offered clemency to more such individuals than the previous 11 administrations combined)

And I wrote all of that prior to knowing who Trump would be nominating for various departments. Those nominations (for AG, EPA, State, Education, Energy, etc.) are truly frightening.

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The primary! hrmjustin Dec 2016 #1
Exactly. yallerdawg Dec 2016 #2
2008 or 2016? dogman Dec 2016 #3
2016 hrmjustin Dec 2016 #10
Odd since that is the Primary she won. dogman Dec 2016 #14
On this we disagree! hrmjustin Dec 2016 #16
wonder what the exit polls showed? triron Dec 2016 #4
Nor did he have too many primary candidates tearing him down at every turn uponit7771 Dec 2016 #11
3 AM hellofromreddit Dec 2016 #32
perhaps the first stat is one of the main reasons for the second JustinL Dec 2016 #5
The answer is right there in your first sentence. mtnsnake Dec 2016 #6
Looks like difference was in youth vote going to 3rd party candidates triron Dec 2016 #7
2008 anomoly ... what were the 2012 numbers? tia uponit7771 Dec 2016 #8
67% Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #9
Yes, but the AARP cover-model standard did work for Sanders. lapucelle Dec 2016 #19
Romney was literally a stock photo of "Rich White Man in His 60s" Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #22
I saw a round table discussion with a group of first graders concernig the candidates. lapucelle Dec 2016 #23
Even though their policy positions are basically the same, Clinton is... Garrett78 Dec 2016 #12
very good points. spooky3 Dec 2016 #28
Obama was everything Hillary wasn't. Kotya Dec 2016 #13
Sanders would've broke a hip, but Hillary could've really done to invoke those "identity politics" Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #17
But his margin in 2012 narrowed despite his being young, cool, etc. A YUGE factor in 2008 spooky3 Dec 2016 #26
wonder how much triron Dec 2016 #15
Well, for starters, they spent their whole lives in a bubble of anti-Clinton foam... JHB Dec 2016 #18
Excellent points triron Dec 2016 #20
Agree. spooky3 Dec 2016 #27
I think the real damage came from those in the progressive wing lapucelle Dec 2016 #21
And heard her speak against same-sex marriage and pot legalization. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #36
South Park wasn't exactly pro-tRump either pstokely Dec 2016 #24
it humanized him to a degree Jean-Jacques Roussea Dec 2016 #25
Mr Garrison isn't supposed to beloved pstokely Dec 2016 #29
Do you have a link? ucrdem Dec 2016 #30
If only she endorsed marijuana legalization. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #31
+1000 Eom Arazi Dec 2016 #35
do stoners even come out and vote if weed legalization isn't on the ballot? pstokely Dec 2016 #37
The sad part is that she was a campus rock star while she was SoS. SaschaHM Dec 2016 #33
didn't hurt in 2008 pstokely Dec 2016 #38
HRC waited for about 3 days to get on board after losing the last primary... SaschaHM Dec 2016 #40
you nailed it in your first sentence. there is nothing else. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #34
Samantha Bee's funny explanation... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #39
LOL, oh dear, MUCH shade! Chitown Kev Dec 2016 #41
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