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Ken Burch

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11. Bernie didn't "use the party"...he ran in the Democratic primaries because he HAD to...
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 06:25 PM
Dec 2016

...there was a massive demand for a candidate who fought for the issues Bernie has helped raise. The party wasn't hurt by Bernie's candidacy(the issues that did the most damage to Hillary in the Upper Midwest had nothing to do with him, as has been repeatedly proved). The results in the fall would have been exactly the same if Bernie had never run or had betrayed his supporters by withdrawing on Super Tuesday. Trump's demagogy was going to work at exactly the same level of effectiveness no matter when Hillary clinched the nomination. It would have worked in exactly the same way if no one had run against her in the primaries at all. The 2000 and 2004 results prove that it doesn't strengthen us to have a nomination be decided early in the primaries.

I'm not saying this to refight anything...I proved my loyalty by campaigning for Hillary all fall...it's just that I'm obligated to defend a good person against an unwarranted charge.

And "populism" doesn't have to mean selling out historically oppressed groups. Those groups can be strong components in a populist coalition and a populist program can easily be devised that takes into account the need to redress historic oppression. Why don't you try to be part of shaping something like that, why not try playing a positive role in shaping the party for the better, rather than just constantly accusing people of wanting to throw you under the bus?

The only groups in the party that ever pushed actively to diminish Democratic support of civil rights and anti-oppression politics were the DLC (one of whose founders was our nominee this year) and their successor group, the Third Way-not the left wing of the party. Why is it only people on the left you treat as untrustworthy? Why do you never call out the people who actually DID throw you under the bus?

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Why would we want this punk anyway? I didn't forget what you did. NWCorona Dec 2016 #1
Rahm, say it aint so? This is the man who is one of the original DLCers. He was soundly JCanete Dec 2016 #2
Rahm? BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #3
Then again, when Rahm talks about "an economically robust message"... Ken Burch Dec 2016 #4
I think it's pretty obvious why suddenly Dems are bolstering this populist message - bettyellen Dec 2016 #7
Bernie didn't "use the party"...he ran in the Democratic primaries because he HAD to... Ken Burch Dec 2016 #11
He used and discarded the Dems. And you imply Dems are the sellouts? Well, that's telling. bettyellen Dec 2016 #12
Not "Dems"...the right wing of the party...the DLC and the Third Way. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #13
You are bashing Dems, always have. bettyellen Dec 2016 #14
Critique is not "bashing". Ken Burch Dec 2016 #16
Who is DLC and third way now? bettyellen Dec 2016 #17
Not true. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #18
Who was part of this third way recently? Like while DU has been around? Sounded like you think they bettyellen Dec 2016 #20
I brought them up because they actually DID throw women people of color and gays under the bus. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #21
I'm sorry but you're not making sense. Labeling people third way is cowardly divisive bullshit. bettyellen Dec 2016 #22
Loyal Dems are trashed as "Third Way" - but Republican Trump voters must be understood and embraced EffieBlack Dec 2016 #25
You, Mr. Burch, have stranger81 Dec 2016 #23
Thanks. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #24
BTW, my first post in this thread was pointing out that Rahm's notion of a "robust" economic program Ken Burch Dec 2016 #19
Fuck Rahm !!! SamKnause Dec 2016 #5
HA all of a sudden Rahm should be respected? Any port in a storm. bettyellen Dec 2016 #6
He's too busy fucking our city with a 14 kt. dildo. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2016 #8
Just as well, 'cause I don't want his sorry ass anywhere. . . DinahMoeHum Dec 2016 #9
Wasn't Rahm opposed to Chairman Dean's 50-State Strategy? (nt) JaneQPublic Dec 2016 #10
Social justice is being used as wedge issue right here for Christ sakes... NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #15
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