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2016 Postmortem

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still_one

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21. While I was stroking my ego" The last month before the election I did full time phone banking into
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 03:53 PM
Dec 2016

the swing states.

I contributed food to the volunteers, and also donated money to the campaign and the swing state Democrats, so please don't imply I didn't do sqwat. Just like your broad based generalities, you have no idea

You make a lot of assumptions in your rant, and jump to a lot of conclusions. In regard to President Obama, he had a strong message, however, the country just had the worst financial implosion since the great depression, and that was a large factor, but a small detail that many like to brush over was that Howard Dean was the DNC chair in 2008, and his 50-state strategy worked, and it wasn't because he "excluded" some people. In fact, that was the virtue of President Obama's campaign, it was inclusionary for everyone.

While Bill Clinton did a lot of things that hurt the party, his choices for the Supreme Court were exemplary, and the Supreme Court was an issue in this election.

You do realize those "reagan democrats" you are referring to mostly came from labor:

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/08/31/us/teamsters-vote-to-endorse-reagan.html

"The work of Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg is a classic study of Reagan Democrats. Greenberg analyzed white ethnic voters (largely unionized auto workers) in Macomb County, Michigan, just north of Detroit. The county voted 63 percent for John F. Kennedy in 1960, but 66 percent for Reagan in 1980. He concluded that "Reagan Democrats" no longer saw the Democratic party as champions of their working class aspirations, but instead saw them as working primarily for the benefit of others: the very poor, feminists, the unemployed, African Americans, Latinos, and other groups. In addition, Reagan Democrats enjoyed gains during the period of economic prosperity that coincided with the Reagan administration following the "malaise" of the Carter administration. They also supported Reagan's strong stance on national security and opposed the 1980s Democratic Party on such issues as pornography, crime, and high taxes.[2]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_Democrat

Ironically, those reagan democrat who were from labor, by voting for reagan, voted for the destruction of their own movement by voting for reagan.

your point of "WHITE SUBURBANITES ARE NOT COMING BACK TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY", is that a fact that you can back up?

47% of the voting population didn't bother to vote. Not that much different from previous elections, which is which is awful, and contributed to what happened. They did NOT put a checkmark beside the racist's name, though their action resulted in such.

The point that doesn't get much attention is that in 2013 the Supreme Court ruled against a key provision in the voting rights act. 14 states have made laws which made voting more difficult. The impact of these laws was mostly directed against People of Color.

Michael Moore since bush was elected made the statement that we are the majority. The only way that becomes reality is if we vote.

This election was a generational election. It will take a generation to come back from.

The only way that is going to happen is at the local and state levels first, and I hope it doesn't happen, but I think a lot of people are going to suffer for a long time because of this election.

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So the children have won [View all] Uponthegears Dec 2016 OP
Recommended. With reservations. guillaumeb Dec 2016 #1
So, you set up a false equivalence and demand that everyone meet in the middle... TwilightZone Dec 2016 #2
Thank you for pointing out the typo Uponthegears Dec 2016 #4
Hmmmm... many, many words. What was that you were saying about "little blaming fits?" Squinch Dec 2016 #3
Yea, it does require some reading Uponthegears Dec 2016 #6
Even if I agree with your interpretation, you are at odds with yourself here. JCanete Dec 2016 #5
It has nothing to do with the Clintons Uponthegears Dec 2016 #7
It is a good history lesson, and again I'm in agreement with your argument. JCanete Dec 2016 #9
I think you have a point Uponthegears Dec 2016 #11
What was Hillary's economic message? Exilednight Dec 2016 #8
It is true. Clinton and the DNC thought they could pull this out without JCanete Dec 2016 #10
It's tempting to look at the last three weeks Uponthegears Dec 2016 #12
That is why russ feingold, and Zyper Teachout lost. Feingold lost by a larger percentage than still_one Dec 2016 #14
You know that Uponthegears Dec 2016 #20
I didn't ask about her plan, I asked about her message. Exilednight Dec 2016 #15
In the GE, it was Bernie's message Uponthegears Dec 2016 #16
No it wasn't. What was her 3 to 5 word message? Exilednight Dec 2016 #22
No, let's be honest Uponthegears Dec 2016 #25
There's a difference between a message and a plan. Exilednight Dec 2016 #27
Great point Uponthegears Dec 2016 #28
Just for arguments sake, let's say she didn't have a good message. That does not account for the still_one Dec 2016 #17
A lot of it was her ability to convey her plans I'm a manner Exilednight Dec 2016 #23
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #13
Maybe you should read all the posts Uponthegears Dec 2016 #18
While I was stroking my ego" The last month before the election I did full time phone banking into still_one Dec 2016 #21
See what happens when we assume? (Including myself) Uponthegears Dec 2016 #24
Good analysis. Thanks! nt jalan48 Dec 2016 #19
You are my new favorite poster! hueymahl Dec 2016 #26
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