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Yurovsky

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22. Her lead in polling was insurmountable?
Tue Dec 6, 2016, 12:40 PM
Dec 2016

You do realize that polling and actual voting are 2 separate things? I'm not saying there was no voter suppression or voting irregularities, but you actually have to prove those things. Just having a "gut feeling" is insufficient proof to have the outcome overturned by the courts.

If this were simply 1 state that might flip the outcome, I'd say go to the mattresses, like in 2000 only 10x harder. But trying to do this simultaneously in multiple states with significant time constraints is simply not going to work out with out hard evidence of the type of outright election fraud and vote theft you believe occurred. I'm not trying to be crush your beliefs, I'm just trying to prevent us from fighting a losing battle and spending millions of dollars and told effort that could be better spent elsewhere.

We have exposure on the Senate side of Congress in 2018. We need to ensure that we protect every seat and also claim the handful of GOP seats that might turn the Senate. That would be a great first step in clipping Trump's wings. Then work on putting forth some new, progressive faces in the 2020 POTUS primaries and recruiting candidates that can flip the House, and we can get America back on track. It's going to take a lot of hard work, not to mention money. I'd rather we stop fighting lost battles - even if you question the outcome's legitimacy - and focus on the fight ahead.

Either that or produce real evidence, not just a statistical model or a few anecdotes. Hillary lost. America, as a result, lost. But let's quit pretending we can get a do-over and go out and kick some ass. I'm done with the recriminations and blame and excuses. I'm getting to work. We all need to, time is a-wasting...

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And even if it wasn't stolen, Clinton performed very well. Orsino Dec 2016 #1
As well as expected I would say... Begabig Dec 2016 #8
Above what? MADem Dec 2016 #24
Above where most people expected him to be... Begabig Dec 2016 #26
His people insisted he was going to win NY and CA. MADem Dec 2016 #29
I was thinking more about what people outside his organization expected... Begabig Dec 2016 #31
winning 2nd in a 2 person race isn't exactly a huge victory NRQ891 Dec 2016 #21
This was another hugely divisive requirement from Sanders. Context only R B Garr Dec 2016 #25
Actually I agree with you! and do think that in spite of all obstacles Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #2
A couple of reasons: TwilightZone Dec 2016 #3
The idea that it shouldn't have been close enough to steal is plain wrong. Dream Girl Dec 2016 #4
And every four years we watch yet another sketchy election... Raster Dec 2016 #6
Yes, this is maddening. We the peeps need to demand fair and secure elections. JudyM Dec 2016 #7
I don't disagree, but it is, sadly, a political reality. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #9
Bingo...that is where the power lies. National senate elections are sexy, but we need to focus on Dream Girl Dec 2016 #11
The only way to move forward is to admit we made mistakes, fix Exilednight Dec 2016 #5
I've been comparing the MichMary Dec 2016 #10
No evidence, but my understandingg is Wisconsin is rotten to the core. Voter Dream Girl Dec 2016 #12
Yup. Voter suppression is REAL MichMary Dec 2016 #15
Claiming the election was stolen is the ultimate form of denial hueymahl Dec 2016 #13
Yep, people claiming stolen election sound as bad as the right did after 2008 and 2012. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #14
It was stolen in Ohio 2004, so that's more than 10 years for that one. Dream Girl Dec 2016 #17
I think there is supression in some states. Ace Rothstein Dec 2016 #18
Have you been paying attention to what's happened in Wayne county? Dream Girl Dec 2016 #16
Her lead in polling was insurmountable? Yurovsky Dec 2016 #22
I know well what polling is, in fact do it for a living. The insurmountable lead I refer to is early Dream Girl Dec 2016 #30
And outside of the coasts, we've been getting spanked... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #36
If that notion keeps you on an even keel till 2020, it is something to cling to. jmg257 Dec 2016 #19
No how, no way HRC in 2020... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #23
There is absolutely nothing comforting about the rigging. In fact it is quite depressing to think Dream Girl Dec 2016 #28
because six months ago, this party was gloating about the demise of the Republican party NRQ891 Dec 2016 #20
This is so wrongheaded. There was an organized effort by a faction of embittered R B Garr Dec 2016 #27
Gore picked a certified right wing dufus as VP NRQ891 Dec 2016 #32
Nader spent months poisoning gullible people by saying both parties R B Garr Dec 2016 #33
Mistakes were made, clearly. alarimer Dec 2016 #34
'Trying the "Third Way" bullshit to appeal to disaffected Republicans instead of non-voters or' NRQ891 Dec 2016 #35
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