2016 Postmortem

Squinch

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47. Basically yes. But in the end your old sociology teacher was exactly right. She just

Sun Dec 4, 2016, 01:10 PM

Dec 2016

happened to be the first one you heard telling you the truth about abortion, whether it resonated with you at the time or not.

If she had said, "Well, OK Buckeye, we'll just agree to disagree on abortion and move on to talking about social security," do you think that would have helped you learn any faster that a woman's choices about her body are her own and no one else's?

If we are going to reach any of those people, it is not by watering down our message. They need to come up against the message over and over, strongly, if it is going to have any hope of getting through.

It is what the Republicans do. For years, they made up a narrative about Hillary. Now it is largely seen as the truth about her, though no one can tell you why they think she is "dishonest" or has a lot of "baggage."

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Hostility to women one of strongest predictors of Trump vote. [View all] Squinch Dec 2016 OP

The justifications are usually just a matter of semantics Nwgirl503 Dec 2016 #1

Welcome to DU! And yes, we put every other word on it but the one that actually describes it. Squinch Dec 2016 #2

Thanks! Nwgirl503 Dec 2016 #5

I like the thing going around of people pledging to step in when they see people Squinch Dec 2016 #8

Absolutely! Nwgirl503 Dec 2016 #18

Exactly. Shocking that a majority of white women treestar Dec 2016 #3

Culture Bear Creek Dec 2016 #10

Exactly I believe I read somewhere treestar Dec 2016 #19

"THEY deserve help." BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #27

This is bad Bear Creek Dec 2016 #31

Mostly it is abortion and the USSC. duffyduff Dec 2016 #53

That is Bear Creek Dec 2016 #54

But it is about power from a position of inferiority. duffyduff Dec 2016 #55

OR, they are just going to vote like their man because they never took the time to Squinch Dec 2016 #12

This white woman has known all my life that many other women are misogynists. yardwork Dec 2016 #13

We are, at times, our own worst enemy mcar Dec 2016 #41

It's called "internalized misogyny" and, like internalized racism, whathehell Dec 2016 #51

This white woman knows that, too. hamsterjill Dec 2016 #70

Well said! n/t DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #74

Yes some women are mysogynists True_Blue Dec 2016 #76

One of the several frustrating things about being a feminist. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #22

Not really...Ever heard of Internalized misogyny? whathehell Dec 2016 #35

It's kind of a "Stockholm Syndrome" where they identify with their captors (the powerful) SharonAnn Dec 2016 #43

I am a white woman NastyRiffraff Dec 2016 #45

I am a white woman too treestar Dec 2016 #58

Which is one of the reasons I distrust the election results. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #77

Because they want. to. be. TOLD. They *like* it nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #60

We mustn't underestimate internalized oppression. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #61

Trump catered to people's lowest denominations! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #4

I agree. His campaign was focused on that alone. yardwork Dec 2016 #48

Yes Bear Creek Dec 2016 #6

I think what they need to do is keep their powder dry till the first civil or human rights violation Squinch Dec 2016 #14

They are ready at the gate Bear Creek Dec 2016 #29

Yes. I agree. My only hope at this point is that the Democrats in office somehow hold the line Squinch Dec 2016 #32

Hope yes Bear Creek Dec 2016 #42

I agree with that treestar Dec 2016 #21

Well said. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #7

Dear Women of America, why do we make less and pay more? mountain grammy Dec 2016 #9

Yep. But grammy, I am encouraged by a conversation I had with my 25 year old niece. Squinch Dec 2016 #15

My 5 granddaughters too mountain grammy Dec 2016 #20

Did you see this article? It made me feel a little hopeful. Squinch Dec 2016 #24

Thanks Squinch. There are some soothing thoughts there. mountain grammy Dec 2016 #66

Hey! I'll be there too! Squinch Dec 2016 #67

All right! mountain grammy Dec 2016 #68

I'll do the same. Squinch Dec 2016 #69

The posts that sink are often the ones we agree on. Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #11

Its more than that. The hatred of women is a strong political force. We are having a lot of Squinch Dec 2016 #16

They aren't all sexists or racists. dawg Dec 2016 #17

I drive a gas-burning car instead of an electric one. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #25

You're not a climate change denier. dawg Dec 2016 #30

I agree. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #34

But the numbers are showing that those rust belt voters who were most concerned with the economy Squinch Dec 2016 #33

I used to be anti-abortion in high school. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #40

And if you were anti-abortion now, you wouldn't be someone whose vote it was logical for Squinch Dec 2016 #44

I think we're basically in agreement. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #46

Basically yes. But in the end your old sociology teacher was exactly right. She just Squinch Dec 2016 #47

Like I mentioned earlier, her position made me more entrenched. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #50

I think it means you simply rationalize any actions of yours which are counter LanternWaste Dec 2016 #80

Little money takes many options off the table. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #86

If they're cool with it, they are it. Nt gollygee Dec 2016 #63

Agree matelize Dec 2016 #23

Welcome to DU! And I agree. I was so frustrated by all the people who blindly bought into Squinch Dec 2016 #26

K & R ......for visibility..nt Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #28

How did Obama manage to win those states? Racism is far more problematic than sexism. Exilednight Dec 2016 #36

There wouldn't be treestar Dec 2016 #62

Spousal is an under reported crime. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #65

wow. please get educated. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #73

You supply no fact, merely inference and editorial. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #81

Point by point Exilednight Dec 2016 #85

Read "Hillbilly Elegy" MissKat Dec 2016 #37

And you can spot them in threads right BlueMTexpat Dec 2016 #38

It would be interesting to know how many of... 3catwoman3 Dec 2016 #39

K&R nt NCTraveler Dec 2016 #49

Sexism may even be stronger here than racism or xenophobia. duffyduff Dec 2016 #52

I voted for Bernie in the primary but whathehell Dec 2016 #56

I feel the same way. No outreach would have changed their minds. yardwork Dec 2016 #78

Their upbringing makes it all but impossible to shed the mindset. duffyduff Dec 2016 #79

K&R betsuni Dec 2016 #57

K & R. and THANK YOU!!!! nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #59

And thank YOU!!!! Squinch Dec 2016 #64

We stand together or fall together. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #71

ties into this thread also JI7 Dec 2016 #72

That's so true. I never thought about Palin that way in comparison to Trump. Zing Zing Zingbah Dec 2016 #84

K&R! DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #75

'We need to look for our gains among the people who stayed home. ' NRQ891 Dec 2016 #82

#notall Orsino Dec 2016 #83