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Igel

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28. Exit polls in other countries
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 06:39 PM
Dec 2016

that are used to expose fraud have a very large percentage of the voters surveyed.

In the US, they pick representative polling places and have a model as to who's voting. You take the numbers you got, plug them into the model, and out pops the prediction.

You poll one precinct, let's say. your "model" electorate" was
12% black (R-D split 10-90), 5% Lat. (20-80), 1% Asian (1-99), and the rest white (55-45). Your sample is
5% black (R-D split 1-99), 3% Lat. (5-95), 5% Asian (10-90), and the rest white (50-50% split).

Ooh, that's bad: your model is wrong.

At first you take the results for the voters assuming your model is correct, because the model isn't for "all those voting by noon" but "all those voting by the end of the day". But then you find that for 100 votes you assumed 10 of the blacks vote (D) and only 1 (R) when actually they accounted for only 5 (D) votes. You thought 3 (D) Latino votes, but instead get 1 (R) and 4 (D)--you're down one (R) vote but 4 (D) votes. Instead of one (D) vote you get effectively none from the Asians, but the white vote netted more (R) than you thought.

When you finally know what the electorate is like, you can either insist that reality is wrong and your fantasy model is right, or you can adjust your model for (a) turnout, (b) skew in the demographics, (c) wrong assumptions about how each demographic would vote. So, for example, in Texas the surprise was how many Latinos voted for Trump. He didn't get the percentage Romney got, but given the rhetoric the assumption was he'd be in the single digits for Latino support. He got something like 20% of the Latino vote.

This is a work in progress on election day, and the big question after recalibrating the model to match reality is always, "So, how can we improve our model next time?"

Note that the "catch election fraud" tends to get over 90% of the population polled, and they don't make predictions based on models. They actually count votes and fill in those areas missed *after* the fact based on reality.

You can run lots of valid tests based on those statistics. But when you run tests based on stats that result from a small sample with an assumed model, your tests say much more about the model used than the actual data. In other words, there's a very, very small likelihood that the model the exit pollers used was correct.

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What exit polls? The ones from CNN seem spot on. jmg257 Dec 2016 #1
Those are exit polls adjusted to match reported results (except votes counted after the election) Land Shark Dec 2016 #3
Sheesh - thanks. How/why do they do that??? Where are the raw ones? jmg257 Dec 2016 #4
People screen capture them before adjusted. You can find election data here Land Shark Dec 2016 #8
Thanks - here is some onfo from Edison research who apparently does the actuall polling. jmg257 Dec 2016 #12
You should be confused Land Shark Dec 2016 #16
Exit polls in other countries Igel Dec 2016 #28
So you're thinking exit pollsters are pretty stupid then Land Shark Dec 2016 #29
Where are the raw ones? That question has been hovering in the air since at least 2000. tandem5 Dec 2016 #9
Election data and analysis without opinion published at tdmsresearch.com Land Shark Dec 2016 #13
the exit polls you are looking at have been "corrected" to correlate with the "results" imaginary girl Dec 2016 #5
Yes I have seen that too...Who/why do they do that? Weird. nt jmg257 Dec 2016 #6
A gap between exit polls and Election results beyond margin of error means one of them is wrong Land Shark Dec 2016 #10
The kicker is that since 2000 the exits are always red-shifted (election results better for Rs) Land Shark Dec 2016 #11
That is just crazy - what's the point then? They just want to get an idea of trends? Not jmg257 Dec 2016 #14
They want to create the fodder for those who read political tea leaves Land Shark Dec 2016 #17
I don't know (n/t) imaginary girl Dec 2016 #25
Source: CNN.com. Compiled by Jonathan D. Simon election night, unadjusted numbers. Coyotl Dec 2016 #22
I do not expect a different outcome. gordianot Dec 2016 #2
People protect themselves from disappointment. Nobody knows what the ballots really say Land Shark Dec 2016 #7
A few factors militate against successful recounts, like.... Land Shark Dec 2016 #15
The Cuyahoga Election Board chairman was the head of the Ohio Republican Party in 2004. Coyotl Dec 2016 #20
Garbage in-garbage out hueymahl Dec 2016 #18
Was a similar anylysis done for Pa, Mi, Fla., and N.C.? triron Dec 2016 #19
Yes, same link. Coyotl Dec 2016 #21
I found Pa and N. C. triron Dec 2016 #23
We have the numbers of respondents for each state and the formula for MoE here: Coyotl Dec 2016 #30
I did a very rough back-of-the-envelope triron Dec 2016 #24
Indeed. Each exit poll is a separate poll. What are the odds they all will shift red? Coyotl Dec 2016 #26
Zero states split their tickets for president and Senate for the first time in American history Coyotl Dec 2016 #27
knr triron Dec 2016 #31
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