2016 Postmortem

jake335544

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38. Divisions in the party are good, if you want a big change.

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:17 PM

Dec 2016

Look what the Tea Party and the Freedom Caucus have been doing in the Republican Party? They aren't playing nice. If you have a position about the party that isn't popular or even used at all, being polite and sucking up (Sanders campaign) only gets you so far. That strategy doesn't *win*. Playing dirty *wins*. When the corporate Dems see a lefty Dem nominee lose, they play dirty, organize like crazy **against** the status quo of the party for years, and successfully re-write the entire party operation. When the lefty Dems see a corporate Dem nominee lose, they whine and make criticisms, but go back to sucking up within a a couple years (or just a week for some).

I *do* agree though that we should be striving to *not* abandon swaths of the American population out of spite (white working class anyone?). That's not exactly a recipe for success. And try to push/create policy solutions that work for everyone, because that *is* possible.

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What would re-establish trust here? [View all] Ken Burch Dec 2016 OP

Perhaps, as you said, it requires abandoning attempts at blaming some Democrats, and candidates, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #1

Think carefully about who you want to target for votes bravenak Dec 2016 #2

I think this is absolutely correct. nt marybourg Dec 2016 #3

I think we need more outreach to those that did not vote... Raster Dec 2016 #4

Yep. We need to be smart, not sit around being sadface bravenak Dec 2016 #6

A combination of rage, defiant hope, and creativity would serve us well right now. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #18

I think tapping into the "rage" of new and uninformed voters backfired this time, and I'm not sure bettyellen Dec 2016 #37

We would have done worse running an "everything is fine" campaign. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #42

Hillary didn't lay a hand on Sanders. Some surrogate said he was "unfit" based on his limited bettyellen Dec 2016 #49

He didn't put down Planned Parenthood so much as disagree with its choice to intervene in the race Ken Burch Dec 2016 #59

He called PP a member of the establishment. boston bean Dec 2016 #61

He criticized PP in the heat of the campaign. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #62

He slimed PP, a nice dog whistle for the WWC voter I wonder? bettyellen Dec 2016 #92

No dog whistle at all. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #94

Insulting PP was a cheap shot at women's expense, period. Showed his commitment quite clearly. bettyellen Dec 2016 #96

The difference was Bernie's support was votes and Hillary's support was actions which PP articulated seaglass Dec 2016 #99

Yes NCTraveler Dec 2016 #24

Are you asking what would re-establish trust between DU members? n/t seaglass Dec 2016 #5

As a start, yes. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #7

I was mostly away from DU for a few months prior to the election. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #47

Yes, deviance from the approved narrative is being harshly punished. appal_jack Dec 2016 #50

Creative story, fella! LanternWaste Dec 2016 #69

I agree... Joe941 Dec 2016 #78

Me, too. mnhtnbb Dec 2016 #93

Stop thinking of the party as a club. It's not - it's a vehicle for imposing governance philosophy. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2016 #8

We don't actually bar gun owning white guys as it is. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #11

Stop bashing hillary. boston bean Dec 2016 #9

Is there any form of critique of Hillary's campaign you could accept as legitimate? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #12

Yes, cease saying she is corrupt wallstreet establishment candidate. boston bean Dec 2016 #15

OK. But would you at least agree that she probably shouldn't run again? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #16

She won't run again. boston bean Dec 2016 #20

Thanks for the response. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #22

Bernie for 2020! Joe941 Dec 2016 #79

There is no more value in bashing Hillary than there is Dukakis. And for the same reason. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2016 #31

Oh look, it's another jim jones radical. grossproffit Dec 2016 #34

Yup, that's me. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2016 #46

Well, the rules there prohibited supporting Hillary and the rules here require it. So who were you bettyellen Dec 2016 #51

You don't understand the rules of either place. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2016 #88

JPR let's you say c*nt and n@&$@r but not support the Dem candidate. bettyellen Dec 2016 #91

They are still fighting the primaries over there and screaming how they were rigged against Bernie. LonePirate Dec 2016 #57

Yup La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #71

Some real self-criticism. What do we get instead? Comey! Russia! Sexism! closeupready Dec 2016 #10

You can't dismiss those things.. JHan Dec 2016 #65

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I can't recall much dishonesty from her during campaigning.. JHan Dec 2016 #83

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You can't be for real. JHan Dec 2016 #86

Okay, done with you. Bye! closeupready Dec 2016 #87

"Bernie Bros"! "Bernie stayed in too long!" "He shouldn't've shown up her weaknesses!" JudyM Dec 2016 #100

PLAY IT FORWARD..nt asuhornets Dec 2016 #13

I couldn't agree more with you. One thing that might help mtnsnake Dec 2016 #14

A campaign that doesn't just talk about poverty(as this one did, to its credit)... Ken Burch Dec 2016 #17

Yeah, the sentence where you put the emphasis on the word "THEY" is vital mtnsnake Dec 2016 #28

Ultimately, it's about reconnecting the poor to those of us who AREN'T in the same condition. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #32

You betcha, and there is one word that pretty much sums up that emotion mtnsnake Dec 2016 #36

Thank you for this post ........ Yes there are some exceptions ( I think excptions can be Kathy M Dec 2016 #25

The point you touched upon concerning heroin is worth looking into mtnsnake Dec 2016 #27

Agree .... its the heroin.... Kathy M Dec 2016 #29

Yes and vice-versa. TrekLuver Dec 2016 #30

Remember It's The Economy, Stupid! Wolf Frankula Dec 2016 #19

I immediately heard these lines go through my head in response to your first paragraph: Ken Burch Dec 2016 #21

agree with the above Kathy M Dec 2016 #26

We promote the party platform. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #23

I was saying that throughout the fall campaign, and had been for years before that. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #33

Drain the swamp? NCTraveler Dec 2016 #35

Why are you equating what I posted there with Trumpism? Ken Burch Dec 2016 #44

I was going by your own words. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #67

I don't even THINK the DNC, the DSCC, or the DCCC are "swamps". Ken Burch Dec 2016 #97

Mostly agree. We also need to stop the BS rhetoric that our loss was Sanders/his supporters' fault. JudyM Dec 2016 #101

Agree. For most of them... NCTraveler Dec 2016 #104

Divisions in the party are good, if you want a big change. jake335544 Dec 2016 #38

We need to find a way to have debate without toxicity, though. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #45

We have a racial divide to heal within Democrats Dems to Win Dec 2016 #39

So the problem is black people were mean to Bernie BainsBane Dec 2016 #41

"Whats Millennials Support for Jill Stein and Gary Johnson All About?" BzaDem Dec 2016 #64

So true La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #74

Aww, black leaders and black activists were mean La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #73

If people stopped fighting the primary BainsBane Dec 2016 #40

That's not my goal at all. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #43

Sure seems like it has been your goal for days La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #75

Never has been. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #95

Many are. BainsBane Dec 2016 #102

You sound like you're much more interested in holding grudges than winning future elections. nt mtnsnake Dec 2016 #98

If winning elections is the goal BainsBane Dec 2016 #103

FFS DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #48

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So did Bernie DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #53

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So how is the Canadian PM doing? CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #54

Yep. I'm sick of this shit, it's a ploy. They never appreciated the fact she deserved their support bettyellen Dec 2016 #55

I wasn't saying it was all her fault. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #63

Please try. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #77

I have a few ideas lapfog_1 Dec 2016 #58

The whole country has turned into tribes marlakay Dec 2016 #60

More outreach to rural Dems in purple states (like Obama did), and engage the disengaged. Garrett78 Dec 2016 #66

A common enemy (Trump), time and and the awareness of what is coming. jalan48 Dec 2016 #68

Maybe if some people stopped using right wing La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #70

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... La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #76

Carefully worded LOL betsuni Dec 2016 #80

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Actually, there is almost no one on DU that I actually mistrust DFW Dec 2016 #84

I think that is one of the best posts on this thread mtnsnake Dec 2016 #89

I have no illusions DFW Dec 2016 #90