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BeyondGeography

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11. You got played too if you think Hillary did everything she needed to do to win
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:12 AM
Dec 2016

Believe it or not, I wanted her to win every bit as much as you did. Everyone my age (57) is looking at a whole lot of hurt because of this. So stop acting like you're the only one who gets it. You're not.

I'm disgusted by a lot of things. Like losing states that have been in our column for decades because someone (that would be our candidate) didn't see the writing on the wall after the primaries. I had a sick feeling when MI and PA were her last stops on the campaign. I get a sick feeling when I read things like this:

It is now becoming clear that Clinton’s ground game — the watchword for defenders of her alleged competence — was actually under-resourced and poorly executed. Like so much else in this election, her field strategy was hostage to the colossal arrogance and consequent incompetence of the liberal establishment.

At the heart of the failure was the notion of the “new emerging majority.” According to this argument — pushed by, among others, John Judis and Ruy Teixeira — women, Latinos, blacks, and skilled professionals who support the Democrats were becoming the demographic majority. Thus the traditional white working-class base of the Democratic Party could be sidelined.

Back in July Chuck Schumer summed it up: “For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.”

From this theory and strategy flowed a deeply flawed set of tactics, and a badly fumbled get-out-the-vote (GOTV) effort.

A labor organizer in Ohio, who wished to remain anonymous, reports that Clinton’s early GOTV effort there focused on Republicans in the mistaken belief a significant number of them could be peeled away. This play largely failed. And it also involved serious opportunity costs: traditional Democratic constituencies like African Americans and the white working class were neglected, and Clinton ended up badly under-performing Obama among both groups, especially in the Rust Belt.

Only in the last two weeks, according to this labor source, did the Democratic Party outreach effort really switch back to traditional Democratic voters. By then, it was too late. Due to lack of preparation, the voter lists guiding the effort had not been updated. Because poorer voters tend to relocate more frequently than home-owning suburbanites, many addresses were wrong. And for lack of more frequent contact the campaign was often unsure about the voters’ current political attitudes.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/clinton-campaign-gotv-unions-voters-rust-belt/


I never called Hillary a corporatist, I honor her lifetime of public service. She has touched many lives for the better, and I will take her in a debate against any Republican in creation. But, godammit, her campaign FUCKING SUCKED! She blew it. She was working with Obama's turnout model and she is not Obama. In 2008, it was clear she had strengths that he didn't have and, yes, they were with the white working class voters. She blew him out in OH and PA and eight years later all those votes go poof? Why...because she didn't work hard enough for them, that's why. Now excuse me while I ponder a future without Medicare as we know it.


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If only we had trusted Clinton instead of looking at her history. el_bryanto Dec 2016 #1
I suppose next time we should pick the candidate that lost the primary? And disenfranchise millions? bravenak Dec 2016 #2
Exactly! BainsBane Dec 2016 #6
I looked at her history BainsBane Dec 2016 #3
Well I care what happens to America - thats why I supported another candidate in the primary el_bryanto Dec 2016 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #29
I don't care who you voted for in the primary BainsBane Dec 2016 #34
This!!! DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #39
the pres-elect CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #4
I voted for Hillary in the general election. So who exactly are you calling an idiot? nt el_bryanto Dec 2016 #13
Calling tRump supporters idiots CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #30
For most of his hayseed followers jambo101 Dec 2016 #21
Exactly! CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #28
Right, her voting record. The one that puts here squarely on the liberal side of Congress. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #7
Yep that's the one - She is a liberal; just not as liberal I would prefer, on a number of issues. el_bryanto Dec 2016 #14
That you even think that relevant now BainsBane Dec 2016 #35
well you cared enough to reply. el_bryanto Dec 2016 #36
if only we had believed Clint Eastwood and Empty Chair strawman Obama emulatorloo Dec 2016 #9
Well it seemed that people weren't interested in Russ Feingold's record or Cypher, Teachout, or still_one Dec 2016 #26
Trump is the *ultimate* elitist and the *ultimate* corporatist. He's a fricking BRAND, for heaven's TwilightZone Dec 2016 #5
But those Goldman Execs are being appointed BainsBane Dec 2016 #8
I think some of them just bought their own BS TwilightZone Dec 2016 #16
weapon-grade stupidity is right BainsBane Dec 2016 #20
You got played too if you think Hillary did everything she needed to do to win BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #11
I read that article BainsBane Dec 2016 #19
Sam Stein wrote a pretty definitive autopsy, if that one doesn't work for you BeyondGeography Dec 2016 #23
You might not have called her a corporatist. But a whole lot of people did. Constantly. kcr Dec 2016 #33
It was a silent coup, right before our eyes, with Russian help and assists from the FBI and Assange brush Dec 2016 #12
Yes it was nt Tumbulu Dec 2016 #25
This world wide wally Dec 2016 #27
It was a con by someone screaming from the rooftops with a megaphone Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #15
Some people have to be in pain in order to learn. Yavin4 Dec 2016 #17
Sorry, think MUCH LONGER because the billionaires will never let us have flamingdem Dec 2016 #18
they are drunk on hate KT2000 Dec 2016 #22
addicted jambo101 Dec 2016 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #24
Yeah, it's a billionaire lollapalooza now. A veritable billionaire shindig. R B Garr Dec 2016 #32
Most of people... JSup Dec 2016 #37
Many Will Soon Enough colsohlibgal Dec 2016 #38
+1000000 triron Dec 2016 #40
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