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NRQ891

(217 posts)
20. left vs right giving way to populism vs establishment
Wed Nov 30, 2016, 10:50 PM
Nov 2016

This is particularly true, given possible developments of parties in the future.

Think how much things have changed since Bill Clinton ran in 1992 - entities that are now large institutions, hadn't ever been heard of - Yahoo (arguably, has come and gone), Google, Facebook - and even the internet itself

Compare this to the 'old guard' of American companies:

Ford - created 1903

General Electric - 1892

But both of these companies are 49 and 38 years (respectively) newer than the creation of the last political party, the GOP.

Trump didn't just defy the expectations of the Democratic party, he defied the GOP as well, breaking every rule known to politics to do it, at a fraction of the budget. Howard Dean was the first social media candidate, President Obama perfected it. Trump created news cycles with Tweets. Sanders went a very long way with mostly small donors. Jeb Bush had perhaps the largest war chest, yet went nowhere and out with record dispatch. So much so that many have already forgotten him

This election wasn't left vs right, it was populist vs establishment. I remember being bored in 'flyover' territory years ago, nothing but fundamentalist Christian radio for the drive, and tired of my own CDs. But it was interesting, a guy talking about how evangelicals were being 'played' by the GOP, strung along for social issues, but sold out on economic ones, the issues they raise their families on, and pointing out that the biggest 'family value' is feeding it. They're not all as dumb as you think. And they could be shaken out of the GOP, not into this party perhaps, but something else. (a lot of them have already become independent, George Will, for instance)

With the advance of technology, the 'proof of concept' of Trump's completely unconventional campaign style, I would not be shocked to see the rise of a 3rd populist party, somewhat libertarian on social issues but populist on economic ones. I think it could pull 1/4 of Democrats, 1/4 of Republicans, and 1/4 of Independents, giving it parity with other parties almost overnight. Please understand I'm not advocating such a thing, I'm stating that such a possibility is out there and must be considered, when assessing next elections. They say generals always fight the last war, but true preparation means some vision of a possible landscape. Ross Perot tried this in 1992, but it was 15 minutes before the internet, and still in the 'old rules' era. I don't see the 'Reform party' coming back, as it went FUBAR, but something fresh could start up

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NOT voting!!!!!! benld74 Nov 2016 #1
Agree. That and the "protest" votes for neither candidate or those cast for Johnson ... Auggie Nov 2016 #11
You're right, of course Bobbie Jo Nov 2016 #16
HRC Numbers are up with Obama's 2012 ...this meme is not a true factor uponit7771 Nov 2016 #17
Calling your opponent's supporters "deplorables" just motivates them to vote. PoliticAverse Nov 2016 #2
all the handwringing over that is mighty rich. Sure it was politically inconvenient, JHan Nov 2016 #4
"and there was a political price to pay for it" - that's the point. This isn't about... PoliticAverse Nov 2016 #6
You're right, I know.. Eleanor Holmes Norton was alarmed as well but.. JHan Nov 2016 #7
That's your #1 reason? NCTraveler Nov 2016 #10
Russian hacks of state vote counts CanonRay Nov 2016 #3
comey killed the momentum in the final stretch. JHan Nov 2016 #5
Other: White Evangelical Christians. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #8
A lot of it was just bad luck. We won the popular vote and lost by a hair in rust belt Quixote1818 Nov 2016 #9
Crosscheck Botany Nov 2016 #12
We ran an insider in an outsider year. Vinca Nov 2016 #13
Other: the ability of parties unknown to steal elections electronically. eom planetc Nov 2016 #14
Political cycle creates an undertow geek tragedy Nov 2016 #15
Comey should resign. HE IS A TRAITOR trueblue2007 Nov 2016 #18
Couldn't pressbox69 Nov 2016 #23
Hubris nt sarisataka Nov 2016 #19
left vs right giving way to populism vs establishment NRQ891 Nov 2016 #20
the bad luck of Weiner NRQ891 Nov 2016 #21
NAFTA Dems to Win Nov 2016 #22
and everything you said about NAFTA, Ross Perot warned of in 1992 NRQ891 Nov 2016 #26
Russian involvement and dark money flamingdem Nov 2016 #24
Low-information voters turned out to vote Retrograde Nov 2016 #25
Combination, elleng Nov 2016 #27
Media calling it for Clinton weeks ahead, Dems got cocky and mis-spent time & money. kerouac2 Dec 2016 #28
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