2016 Postmortem

Tatiana

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36. She is not good at campaigning.

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 09:35 PM

Nov 2016

She admits this and even says that she's not as good as her husband or Obama at giving speeches.

She came across as fake or unlikable to people who were not die-hard Dems. I'm a teacher and it made my skin crawl to think about how many public education teachers expressed their intention to vote for the Donald. Even when his horribleness was pointed out, they didn't care -- at least he was "real" and not "fake" like Hillary. Instead of addressing the issues head-on, and apologizing when warranted, Clinton's campaign never found a simple, heartfelt, and believable response to the right-wing charges.

Let's be honest -- if Obama could have run for a third term, he would have won. Biden would have won. They know how to campaign. There are lots of reasons why Hillary lost -- racism, sexism, economic insecurity, etc. But this election was a popularity contest and Clinton just wasn't popular enough. This should not have been close at all.

It's an unfortunate situation. I truly believe she would have been a better President than Obama and that she would have actually delivered on many of the promises she made during her campaign.

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You could see it coming. Hillary should never have run in 2016. [View all] mtnsnake Nov 2016 OP

No, she won the popular vote. She is going to win in 2020. The glass ceiling WILL BREAK. Table Nov 2016 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #3

So flawed as to win the most votes. Consistent way to continue the biased narrative, though. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #123

She won't run...and I hope you are not suggesting we let the GOP pick our candidate... Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #153

She will not run again. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2016 #17

NO! It is time for Hillary Clinton to move on. Raster Nov 2016 #31

Gawd no!!! We need an Elizabeth Warren progressive! RiverStone Nov 2016 #42

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #129

Well she sure as hell isn't one now.. CentralMass Dec 2016 #133

Why does Warren's decision to wait until her 40s to switch not matter when the left BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #138

Are you on the right forum? RiverStone Dec 2016 #139

Your use of the word retarded is offensive mythology Dec 2016 #143

She isn't going to win in 2020 because she isn't going to run. Statistical Nov 2016 #57

Oh, dear lord I hope she doesn't run again. PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2016 #61

yeah. I came to like and admire her after preferring Bernie, but she's had two chances renate Dec 2016 #96

Good Dog no! Retrograde Nov 2016 #73

God, no! Chitown Kev Nov 2016 #84

Anyone who thinks Americans will vote for a... SMC22307 Dec 2016 #88

More like we'll all be killed by shattering glass after she loses again. jfern Dec 2016 #91

Elizabeth is always a possibility. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #127

No! Cobalt Violet Dec 2016 #92

Not by her... Begabig Dec 2016 #97

Hell NO! Raine Dec 2016 #98

I hope she doesn't run get the red out Dec 2016 #112

Trump was a joke candidate, we should've sweeped the floor... jake335544 Dec 2016 #163

it wasn't the past 'baggage' geek tragedy Nov 2016 #2

stupid decision to give those speeches but I loved those excepts though.. JHan Nov 2016 #5

The email scandal was ridiculous only in magnitude Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2016 #20

hmm, what do you make of this take on it: ... JHan Nov 2016 #22

I don't like having to swipe my card key four times to get to my car out of the garage Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2016 #25

Yet wanting to streamline her communciations - which would have been high traffic - seems reasonable JHan Nov 2016 #28

As I have posted before, I work in a very high security job in the financial industry... Raster Nov 2016 #35

And no one saw this or noted it....? Or raise an eyebrow? JHan Nov 2016 #41

OH NO, Clinton was urged by EVERYONE that knew she was going to use her... Raster Nov 2016 #44

Yes, she messed up.... but Powell also dismissed security protocol: JHan Nov 2016 #52

Yes, but Powell was not running for POTUS. Raster Nov 2016 #55

which is why the press and its obsession with emails was so egregious.. JHan Nov 2016 #64

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #70

No I don't, because there's no evidence of that. JHan Nov 2016 #71

Take your Breitbart lies somewhere else. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #72

If you ask those who have held a government security clearance and actually ... spin Nov 2016 #75

And Powell doesn't have 2 decades of Republican hatred mythology Dec 2016 #144

I recognize that..but to put the bullshit in perspective for a min: JHan Dec 2016 #158

The desire isn't unreasonable, the implementation was absurd. Sen. Walter Sobchak Nov 2016 #37

People in state did try SpareribSP Nov 2016 #50

Hardly zipplewrath Dec 2016 #148

I think alot of it was. There was no changing the minds of MANY people who already disliked her. jmg257 Nov 2016 #40

Buy once those speeches came out TexasBushwhacker Nov 2016 #62

The e-mail story doomed her because it never went away. Drunken Irishman Dec 2016 #132

"She just had to be the first woman president." Skinner Nov 2016 #4

Apparently Barack didn't want to be the first President "of color".. JHan Nov 2016 #6

Sorry but that's what it seemed like to me, Skinner. She wanted it so bad. mtnsnake Nov 2016 #12

Shame on her for wanting to be president. Skinner Nov 2016 #14

So you don't think her wanting to make history so badly had anything to do with her running in 2016? mtnsnake Nov 2016 #18

Name another candidate for whom wanting to be president is considered a negative. Skinner Nov 2016 #21

Of course there's nothing wrong with wanting to be president mtnsnake Nov 2016 #24

Her motivation is irrelevant! Skinner Nov 2016 #34

Thanks for putting words in my mouth mtnsnake Nov 2016 #43

You kind of undermined any point you thought you were making with the "woman president" nonsense. TwilightZone Nov 2016 #63

Now that we know the outcome it is easy to say she shouldn't have run. Skinner Nov 2016 #66

I think it would have looked a bit silly if a candidate who was polling in the 60s StevieM Nov 2016 #80

You 'feel' something, so it must be true. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #76

Oh please, we heard over and over again that she was too ambitious as if Sanders was running by bettyellen Nov 2016 #58

Everyone who runs for President wants to make history.. JHan Nov 2016 #67

18 of them from both parties won't be president in 2016 yeoman6987 Nov 2016 #30

Well I felt worse this time around. LisaM Nov 2016 #45

The only reason either Trump or Hillary had a chance to win BlueProgressive Dec 2016 #166

She's always also emphasized the "1st Female President " meme " riderinthestorm Nov 2016 #83

Really? You admitted on JPR that you wrote in Bernie for President and you drop this here? Did you seaglass Dec 2016 #99

Don't you have some threads to rec on JPR? Photoshops of Hillary with feces? yardwork Dec 2016 #106

Your last sentence gives you away. MineralMan Nov 2016 #7

You could see it coming. Bernie should never have run in 2016. R B Garr Nov 2016 #8

Bravo! lunamagica Nov 2016 #10

Dead-bang perfect, RBG. Thank you. Paladin Nov 2016 #15

Oh, please. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2016 #16

Right? Like she would've won the election if we wouldn't have bothered to even have a primary elehhhhna Nov 2016 #74

EVERYTHING, and I do mean EVERYTHING used against Clinton... Raster Nov 2016 #29

Not *everything* was there. Not at all, and no one from the Democratic party R B Garr Dec 2016 #141

Its amazing how fast Bernie went from sheepdog to scapegoat between June and November. aikoaiko Nov 2016 #39

NOT. AMAZING. AT. ALL... Raster Nov 2016 #47

Thank you. LisaM Nov 2016 #49

Maybe the establishment shouldn't have pushed a candidate shawn703 Nov 2016 #56

Yep! johnp3907 Dec 2016 #151

Well stated La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2016 #170

It sucks that qualification doesn't matter at all. MadamPresident Nov 2016 #9

You call her "such a qualified candidate" NCTraveler Nov 2016 #11

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn't it? Paladin Nov 2016 #13

I used to support her like crazy here. Gawd, I was the one who used to call her the Goddess of Peace mtnsnake Nov 2016 #19

You are missing the point Dem2 Nov 2016 #27

Are you really trying to say Hillary had no baggage at all? SpareribSP Nov 2016 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Nov 2016 #60

Seriously??? DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #23

Oh dear Dem2 Nov 2016 #26

People mad that Hillary ran really need to wake the hell UP... LenaBaby61 Nov 2016 #79

You could only see it coming if you knew the number of Democrats who were buying every one of Squinch Nov 2016 #32

What garbage! Welcome to the new world order. This is what happens to EVERY opponent of the gop now. AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #33

agree--- we HAVE to find better ways of dealing with their crap Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #101

We need to find a way to deal with a media that reports nothing but propaganda. AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #160

Yes we do & It really comes down to the media. We need to either have our own media stations AgadorSparticus Dec 2016 #171

She is not good at campaigning. Tatiana Nov 2016 #36

I feared that she wouldn't win in 2008. I was relieved when Obama won the nomination. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #38

Bullshit. ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #46

The Democratic voters said something different asuhornets Nov 2016 #48

It was lies and cheating MFM008 Nov 2016 #51

But Trump, like Reagan, appealed to racism and hope. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #53

I agreed with most of it until the last sentence. Disgusting man just disgusting. Statistical Nov 2016 #59

I doubt if anyone on this forum has defended Hillary over the years as much as I have in the past mtnsnake Nov 2016 #69

they can't bear to hear the truth is so true. Cobalt Violet Dec 2016 #94

" By 2016 too many people across the country had had enough of the Bushes and Clintons." PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2016 #65

This may be it hueymahl Dec 2016 #130

yes, I heard 'no more Bushes or Clintons over and over' NRQ891 Dec 2016 #157

I agree as well with everything but the last sentence too MichMan Nov 2016 #68

Translation: "If only she would have stayed home and baked cookies." emulatorloo Nov 2016 #77

My last sentence had nothing to do with being sexist. Skinner spun it like that so everyone piled on mtnsnake Nov 2016 #82

Everybody has an opinion. Yours is fact-free speculation and Skinner was right to call you out. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #85

You are wrong Gothmog Nov 2016 #78

So the Democrats shouldnt make any changes... just keep the status quo? davidn3600 Nov 2016 #81

Jeb Bush went down like a lead balloon NRQ891 Dec 2016 #86

my big red flag was "I'm with her" Locrian Dec 2016 #102

or simply 'She's with you' nt NRQ891 Dec 2016 #116

Pretty easy to call it in hindsight. zonkers Dec 2016 #87

It was pretty easy to call it beforehand for some of us too. Cobalt Violet Dec 2016 #95

I couldn't see it coming and others probably feel similarly andym Dec 2016 #89

You are being too hard to SOS Clinton. Perhaps she was flawed, but she was the best akbacchus_BC Dec 2016 #90

She should have been out of the running melman Dec 2016 #93

Completely disagree. So freaking tired of this post-mortem. Justice Dec 2016 #100

She was the only Democratic party Members running. stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #103

Nice of you to throw Martin O'Malley under the bus.... BlueProgressive Dec 2016 #167

Thank you so much for your concern. Lil Missy Dec 2016 #104

Well, well, babylonsister Dec 2016 #105

hey mtnsnake Dec 2016 #117

Take this crap back to JPR. yardwork Dec 2016 #107

What is JPR? I took an 8 yr break from here so I'm not up on the latest acronyms mtnsnake Dec 2016 #115

It is a Bernie or Bust website full of fake progressives who left DU musicblind Dec 2016 #120

thanks mtnsnake Dec 2016 #124

My apologies, then. However, this thread is full of people who now post on JPR. yardwork Dec 2016 #126

No problem, but thanks. mtnsnake Dec 2016 #135

Welcome back. Hillary is referred to on JPR as a mass murderer. yardwork Dec 2016 #137

I'll join the chorus of jeers: Great hindsight! Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #108

Rally cry of the Bernie Bro. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #109

Well said. (nt) Paladin Dec 2016 #114

Sure, how dare a woman be ambitious? Nonhlanhla Dec 2016 #110

Oh for gods sake it had nothing to do with that & if you can't figure that out mtnsnake Dec 2016 #113

You can spin this all you want Nonhlanhla Dec 2016 #119

I have to agree. She was definitely the best candidate for the job, but it was an "outsider" year. Vinca Dec 2016 #111

Why am I not surprised to see this crap? leftofcool Dec 2016 #118

Well that is a pretty awful original post. n/t musicblind Dec 2016 #121

Sure it is because the truth hurts. mtnsnake Dec 2016 #122

I'd pretend my unsupported premise lacking any objective evidence is a truth also... LanternWaste Dec 2016 #125

It's not the truth. n/t musicblind Dec 2016 #140

Hillary Clinton received more votes for president than any white male that has ever run Justice Dec 2016 #128

True, but statistics are misleading hueymahl Dec 2016 #131

Fighting the primaries all over again accomplishes nothing. VOX Dec 2016 #134

Your "thinking" is one Jakes Progress Dec 2016 #136

BS!!!! CajunBlazer Dec 2016 #142

Anyone can run. It's not really her fault. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2016 #145

Anyone except, apparently, Sanders. JudyM Dec 2016 #146

Is there a source for stating that Hillary did have a significant input into the debate schedule Glassunion Dec 2016 #147

Plenty. Since DWS was working for her. JudyM Dec 2016 #154

DWS was chair of the DNC, and working for the party not Clinton. Glassunion Dec 2016 #159

Oh I'm sure she stayed neutral on the subject. Even though she was personally involved in JudyM Dec 2016 #162

No one stopped Sanders from running BainsBane Dec 2016 #150

Check your old posts, BB. JudyM Dec 2016 #155

Still pushing that myth? JTFrog Dec 2016 #156

The bias is so palpable in this write up (see, e.g., the last line) that it doesn't pass for JudyM Dec 2016 #161

Lol, ok. Are you saying he made those numbers up? JTFrog Dec 2016 #165

You must not want Democrats to hold office BainsBane Dec 2016 #149

she won the popular vote... Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #152

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #164

Thank you for your "concern". baldguy Dec 2016 #168

Agreed TrishaJ Dec 2016 #169